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thy name is...{fill in name here}
So I must be insulting myself.
I could care less.
I am just for sensible controls unlike some like you and your friends.
My self esteem is fine, thank you. 
nobody speaks for me, but me. I don't speak for anyone else. First, you need evidence that they are spinning or lying. Otherwise, 
Not liking what they are saying isn't enough. It must be based on objective evidence. What either of us thinks doesn't matter.
You disgust me 
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She testified to the effect that he told her that he was near the house. Near being a rather general term. And if you look at a map of the area between the 7-11 and the house where Trayvon was staying, it can be reasonably argued that just about anywhere in the Twin Lakes community could plausibly be described as being "near" home.
Also, Zimmerman didn't agree to meet the police at his car as you claim. He initially told dispatch he would, but moments later he reversed himself and told them to have police call him when they were in the area. Is that significant? Absolutely. It shows that Zimmerman wasn't ready to go back to his car just yet, that he wanted to snoop around a little longer to see where "fucking punk" Trayvon went. Why else would Zimmerman make such a sudden change of mind and not simply meet police at the seemingly most logical place.
As to the location of where the altercation occurred, it's important to get a context of the Twin Lakes complex:
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When Zimmerman started chasing Trayvon, Trayvon ran into the alleyway between the homes on Twin Trees Lane and Retreat View Circle referred to at trial as the "dog walk". Now, for a proper context of events. It was dark. It was raining. Trayvon had only been staying at the Twin Lakes complex for a few days. So he's not likely intimately familiar with the details of the neighborhood, and the rain and the darkness only makes the situation worse. Twin Lakes is a townhouse complex, meaning the homes are interconnected in long blocks. From the dog walk, you only see the back of the houses. There are no street numbers, and each house likely looks very similar from the back. On the other hand, the house where Trayvon was staying was accessible on Retreat View Circle and there it would be much more readily be identifiable vis a vis the street number.
So Zimmerman starts chasing Trayvon, Trayvon runs into the dog walk. Zimmerman says he loses Trayvon. Clearly, someone who has just lost their pursuer will want to wait for a little bit to ensure the coast is clear before resuming their intended trip. And in fact Jeantel did testify that Trayvon told her he was hiding at one point. Likely after a minute or two, Trayvon assumes the coast is clear. Not being able to identify the homes from the rear, it's quite plausible that he started back up the dog walk to head toward Retreat View Circle and then home. Of course, he never makes it to Retreat View Circle, as he and Zimmerman come across each other at the T.
Now, here's my question for you. Zimmerman claimed once he was told by dispatch not to follow Trayvon, he started back to his car. The thing is, that happened roughly 4 minutes before calls about the altercation started coming into 911. Trayvon's call with Rachel ended (and she testified the phone went dead) about 3 minutes and 45 seconds after Zimmerman was told not to follow, and that's the best indication as to when the altercation between the two first started. Here's the weird thing. Zimmerman claimed he never got much further than the "T" intersection of the dog walk and the cut through between Twin Trees and Retreat View. His car was right by the cut through on Twin Trees. The altercation occurred right below the "T". That means if Zimmerman was to be believed, in the span of 3 minutes and 45 seconds he made progress towards his car of literally a couple dozen feet at most. Even if he didn't start to walk back until after he hung up the phone, he would still have roughly a minute and a half to walk back to his car. If events would have happened as he claimed, he would have been back at his car with plenty of time to spare. There's an explanation for the lack of forward progress for Trayvon. It could be inferred he was hiding out. But what's Zimmerman's excuse?
As to the burden of proof at trial, that point's moot. For better or worse (and I argue worse), the trial is over and done with. But you claim that the evidence at trial proved Trayvon double backed and ambushed Zimmerman. You were in fact wrong regarding the claim Trayvon supposedly told Rachel he had made it home. You were also wrong in claiming that Zimmerman told police to meet him at his car; in fact he told them to call him instead. And you know that Zimmerman's supposed location at the time he claimed he stopped following does not jive with the timeline.
You said there was evidence of the ambush. So what's the evidence?
He was named "Purity Officer" for all of DU by Skinner.
He and he alone determines what a "True Democrat" and "True Progressive" is, because only he has that knowledge.
Any deviation and he will have you sent off to a Gulag for re-education. 
Well, at least in his own mind he is, and it's obvious he doesn't pay much attention to the real world, so all that matters is his opinion of himself.
He comes down here to the Gungeon to get handed his hat on a random basis and after a few posts, when his errors are pointed out to him and thrown back in his face, instead of acknowledging it and actually learning something, he runs away for a week or so.
