X-post:Stop NRA-backed lawmakers from exploiting campus sexual assault

[beevul]

I'm only going to quote a single line, because that's all that it will take to vaporize the irony meter:

"This grotesque display of opportunism is beyond the pale."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628265


Bloombergs astroturf group (whatever nametag its wearing today) has had the market cornered on grotesque opportunism.

Me, I think folks in the article contained in the post I linked to, took a page out of the gun control talking point manual, and bloombergs astroturf folks don't like it being turned against them:

#1: ALWAYS FOCUS ON EMOTIONAL AND VALUE-DRIVEN
ARGUMENTS ...

[NYC_SKP]

1. *Frantically looking for my NRA talking points manual for a standard response...!!!

Oh, wait, there's no such thing.

AND, there's really no need for one, the anti-gun groups pretty much sink their own boat everytime they make a statement.

[ileus]

2. Instead hand out rape whistles...rape first, self defense never!

Tis better to be assaulted than to pollute society with mean ole guns.

[Duckhunter935]

3. I agree with you, they always focus on emotional issues to a fault sometimes.

Bloomberg Gun Group Apologizes for Honoring Marathon Bombing Suspect
Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was run over by his brother after a gunfight with police, was named as a victim of gun violence during an event held by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the anti-gun violence group run by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/bloomberg-gun-group-apologizes-for-honoring-marathon-bombing-suspect/

Things like that happen when you try and push an emotional narrative without checking for facts fiirst. That group seems to be quite loose with the facts anyway.

I find it very interesting that the people over their in that group are against the choice of an individual for self protecting if they so desire. I am for as much choice as possible and they seem to be anti-choice.

The comments are very telling and once again seem to be not adhering to their own SOP.

"NRA exists solely to achieve obscene profits for the owners of gun companies"

Funny since the NRA does not get much money from gun companies but individual dues and purchase round ups. That is unlike Bloomberg's group that needs a billionaire to fund it and pass off that astroturf as grassroots.

"The fruit of their coupling...." Well done, excellent commentary.

Actually I am glad the NRA has a robust gun safety program and can separate that from some of the crazy legislative agendas that I can object to. I am sure they do not associate with all of the mayors that are now in jail that were part of MAIG.

[stone space]

4. I will not teach calculus in a classroom full of guns. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

6. If properly concealed

you will never know and possibly already have.

[stone space]

8. If you bring a gun into my classroom, I'll call the cops and have you arrested.

In addition, I will kick you out of class and you will receive an "F" as your grade.

[Duckhunter935]

10. Like I said

You will never know if done correctly

[stone space]

11. You mean if done dishonestly?

How dishonest would you be?

[Duckhunter935]

18. depends on if I were threatened.

I do risk assessments.

In normal circumstances, I would never even think of carrying in a school unless permitted. If I were a young lady or small man and had been threatened, I might think differently.

I have a CCW but do not normally carry. I sometimes speed. I have not fully stopped before proceeding at a stop sign.

[stone space]

23. Well, if you bring a gun into my calculus classroom, you're going to jail. (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

26. I still would like to know how you would know if I had one

if properly concealed.

[stone space]

31. Try me. Are you feeling lucky? (nt)

[Duckhunter935]

32. No reason to.

As you stated it is illegal in your state and as I have not been threatened, I would not carry anyway. As I have also stated, I do not normally carry. I have only carried a couple of times ever.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

35. ~~~ 'Do you feel lucky' ~~~

Well do ya punk?

[Duckhunter935]

44. I guess we know he likes Clint

[oneshooter]

12. If it is legal to have it concealed, and you do as you say you will.

then you are opening yourself to a massive lawsuit.

[stone space]

14. It isn't. You'll end up in jail. (nt)

[GGJohn]

15. 7 states allow for concealed carry on campus,

so what's illegal about it?

[stone space]

20. If you bring a gun into my calculus classroom, you're going to jail.

It really is that simple.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. You can't have people arrested for lawful activity.

And if your college receives public funding that funding should be withdrawn for civil rights violations.

[stone space]

38. If you bring a gun into my calculus classroom, you're going to jail. (nt)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

55. If the ban is lifted what charge can be leveled? Provoking a tantrum in the 3rd degree?

[blueridge3210]

16. For which violation of the criminal law

would you have someone arrested if they were lawfully carrying a weapon? And, under what authority would you have them kicked out of class and awarded a failing grade?

[stone space]

19. If you bring a gun into my calculus classroom, you're going to jail.

Try me.

[GGJohn]

22. If it's legal in your state,

then, no, no one will be going to jail.

[stone space]

25. It isn't. (nt)

[GGJohn]

27. Ok. eom.

[blueridge3210]

24. You didn't answer the question. (nt)

[stone space]

28. I'm the professor.

I am well within my authority to kick out students who create a hostile environment and disruption in my calculus class.

If it's past the drop date, the "F" is automatic.

There's nothing you can do about it.

Want a better grade in calculus? Then stop being disruptive in the classroom.

[GGJohn]

7. If they're concealed, how would you know? eom.

[stone space]

9. Are you relying on dishonesty? (nt)

[GGJohn]

13. What dishonesty?

If the college allows for concealed carry, how would you know if there are firearms in the classroom?

[stone space]

17. Guns are not allowed in my calculus classroom.

Bring one to my classroom and you're going to jail.

It's as simple as that.

[GGJohn]

21. If concealed carry on campus is allowed in your state,

then no one will be going to jail and you could very well be in trouble for calling the cops.
It's as simple as that.
A teacher tried that in CO. where it's legal, he was rebuked by the college.

[stone space]

29. I'll take my chances.

you could very well be in trouble for calling the cops.

[GGJohn]

30. If it's illegal in your state, then you would be well within your rights

to call the cops and have the offender arrested and removed.

[petronius]

5. I expressed my general feelings about CCW on campus in a thread a year ago;

all in all, I don't think a public campus should be treated any differently than anywhere else.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172135441

That said, the "hot little girls" comment is nasty in several ways...

[Electric Monk]

33. You guys are missing a great opportunity to show GD DUers how much you agree with Republicans

here http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026258092

[virginia mountainman]

34. Agreeing with?? A broken clock is correct twice a day..But atleast we are not spoon fed by them...

Sara Brady (R) Founder of the Brady Campaign..

For the next ten years, she worked actively in various capacities within the Republican Party. She served as Assistant to the Campaign Director at the National Republican Congressional Committee from 1968 to 1970. Sarah joined the staff of U.S. Representative Mike McKevitt (R-CO) as an Administrative Aide. She held the same position in Congressman Joseph J. Maraziti's office (R-NJ) from 1972-1974. During the next four years, Sarah was Director of Administration and Coordinator of Field Services for the Republican National Committee.

Paul Helmke, Former President of the Brady Campaign, he is a Republican.

Michael Bloomberg, 1% who won many elections as a Republican...

Caroline McCarthy, Who became a Democrat, so she could win the election in a (D) district..

I could go on...But no need too, the point is well made....

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. That thread is a perfect example of the bullying abuses of authority grabbers rely on.

[stone space]

39. In mathematics classes we considering guns abusive.

We have disagreements, sometimes very vigorous disagreements, but we work out our differences with mathematical proofs, not with gunplay.

[Duckhunter935]

42. Thats great

If I ever get robbed or mugged, I will whip out some math to protect me.

[stone space]

46. Do you worry a lot about...

...being robbed or mugged in a calculus class?

[Duckhunter935]

47. Nope

depending on the area, I would be more concerned about getting to and from that class and at what hour that class is would be part of my assessment.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

52. "We"? Is it a hive-mind?

Your class is only a fraction of a student's academic career, let alone their entire life and despite pretentions you possess no autocratic authority.

[Duckhunter935]

58. the Borg

[beevul]

59. Now now..

All they want to do is have a conversation.

[beevul]

40. Says the guy that hosts the group which embraces bloombergs astroturf groups...

Says the guy that hosts the group which embraces bloombergs gun control astroturf groups, and intends to block anyone that openly disagrees with them in any forum.

[Duckhunter935]

45. and can't answer a simple question

[Electric Monk]

48. I like seeing the smoke come out of your ears as you huff and puff and billow and bluster :)

[Duckhunter935]

49. no smoke

just pointing out facts. Makes me feel better to show others how you will not answer a simple question on sensible gun control laws. Just proves the point that most here have been saying for a long time and now other people that read my posts also know.

[Electric Monk]

50. In my very first reply on the subject I said I thought it seemed heavy handed.

It's not my fault if you have reading comprehension difficulties.

[Duckhunter935]

53. that does not answer the question

so its a good reasonable law that could have been enforced without a SWAT raid?

You just do not want to say if the law was reasonable or not, YES or NO. Seems to me you are worried that one of your few posters in your group seeing that you might agree with us.

[Duckhunter935]

41. you missed the opportunity to answer my question, care to?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172161250#post94

[Duckhunter935]

43. I agree with the option and choice

You seem to be against the option for people that have been screened and trained and have passed a background check to have a choice.

[stone space]

51. It's not a choice when it's forced on others. (nt)

[kcci]

54. Who's being forced to concealed carry?

[Duckhunter935]

57. That is my question

maybe he can answer it for us?

[Duckhunter935]

56. No one is forcing you to carry a weapon

you are forcing others to not have a choice to carry one if they passed all of the legal requirements. Yes sir, you are taking the choice away from others. They will not have that choice in your state until the law is changed.

[beevul]

60. Thats what we say about extremist gun control.

Let me guess:

"That's different".