Man accidentally kills himself posing with a gun for a Facebook selfie

[SecularMotion]

OSCAR Aguilar was a man who loved to impress with his selfies, but when he decided to pose with a handgun it resulted in his death.

Aguilar, 21, a veterinarian from Mexico City has a Facebook page stocked with photos of him posing with luxury cars and beautiful women. He had a desire to take the ‘coolest’ selfies possible and his last idea saw him borrowing a gun and aiming it at his head. It would be his last.

Local police said Aguilar was unaware the gun was loaded and was ‘waving’ it around when it accidentally went off, wounding him.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/man-accidentally-kills-himself-posing-with-a-gun-for-a-facebook-selfie/story-fnjwul0i-1227012663696

[In_The_Wind]

1. Poor Oscar.

May he rest in peace.

[mikeysnot]

2. Gun's save lives!

I'm sure somewhere....?

Can I just point out here how the gun manufacturer's are protected from malfeasance here. When a toddler can pull the trigger you have a defective product. When the trigger goes off waving it you have a defective product.

I'm all for signature guns since a minority of folks in this country cannot give up their security blankets.

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[Straw Man]

5. News Flash!

Guns don't "go off" because one waves them around; guns go off because someone pulled the trigger. Heavier triggers are harder to pull accidentally; they also make the gun harder to shoot accurately. NYPD, in its infinite wisdom, has mandated a 12-pound trigger pull weight in the Glocks it issues to its officers. Ostensibly, this was to reduce the accidental shooting of suspects who are being held at gunpoint and the accidental discharge of weapons while reholstering. It may have done some of that -- such results are very difficult to quantify -- but it has also resulted in some horribly inaccurate shooting in the field by NYPD officers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Empire_State_Building_shooting

The upshot? That technological fixes to behavioral problems often come with unintended consequences.

[mikeysnot]

12. They also go off when dropped

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2011/12/28/news/19local_12-28-11.txt#.U9_gWfldXL8

http://americablog.com/2013/02/wife-drops-gun-at-mcdonalds-accidentally-shoots-husband.html

http://journaltimes.com/news/local/man-arrested-for-dropped-gun-discharge-at-store/article_ff62b8de-6034-11e3-8306-001a4bcf887a.html

http://www.wsmv.com/story/25075288/police-investigating-shooting-in-madison

http://www.good4utah.com/story/d/story/a-gun-is-accidentally-discharged-inside-a-chipotle/30355/0tM7kdUYw0KKyD0_O563rA

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/15/13296949-man-drops-gun-in-movie-theater-shooting-self-in-buttocks

And this kid must have a really LOOOOONNNNNNG finger...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/#.U9_ktfldXL8


they also go off putting them in your pants. Or hugging someone.

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/16/crime-reports-macon-june-16/10631943/

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2011994648_accident31m.html

http://gawker.com/5828944/arizona-man-accidentally-shoots-his-penis-off

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/10/florida-man-accidentally-shoots-penis-while-cleaning-gun/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/security-guard-accidentally-shoots-penis-off-with-illegal-gun-8465579.html

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/22/trinidad-and-tobago-security-guard-accidentally-shoots-off-his-penis/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/man-shoots-off-gun-pants-kills-girlfriend_n_4030640.html

And just showing it off! Hey! Looks at my manly GUNZ! BAMMM!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pregnant-fla-woman-unborn-baby-die-shot-head-cops-article-1.1882503

Here is a mother load of guns being guns...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609758/Boy-2-fatally-shoots-3-year-old-sister-fourth-death-U-S-month-caused-firearm-finding-way-hands-child.html


Next!

Nice try.... but reality dictates otherwise.

[Jenoch]

14. " And this kid must have a really LOOOOONNNNNNG finger... "

I think it is pathetic that you're making light of an 8 year old who is killed in an accidental shooting. (Yes, he was firing the gun at the time of the incident, but in hindsight, he should not have been shooting that weapon.)

[mikeysnot]

16. Not "making lite of it"

Just pointing out the reality of the situation.

While the other guy pulls things from the B.O.T.B...

[samsingh]

52. he should not have had the weapon in the first place

[ManiacJoe]

15. Maybe, for varying definitions of "dropped".

Modern guns do not go off when dropped.

The most common cause of a "dropped" gun going off is that the person dropping it tries to catch it, gets his finger in the trigger guard by mistake, and unintentionally pulls the trigger.

The best thing to do for a dropped gun is to let it hit the floor.

[mikeysnot]

18. Well at least you admint that "old" guns are dangerous

baby steps...

[Straw Man]

22. All guns are dangerous. No one should ever forget that.

Well at least you admint that "old" guns are dangerous

baby steps...

Ignoring the potential danger of firearms is foolhardy. However, the idea that "they just go off" arises from ignorance of the technology.

Single-action revolvers ("cowboy guns," in common parlance) were not drop-safe when carried hammer-down on a live round (a practice that is not recommended: load five in your six-shooter and let the hammer rest on an empty chamber). If the gun were dropped onto a hard surface, the hammer could slip off the sear and strike the primer, setting off the round. Early semi-autos (we're talking late 19th-century to WWI era) also had this tendency. It has largely been mitigated by the incorporation of hammer blocks, transfer bars, and other passive safety devices into handgun design.

When Ruger re-introduced the "cowboy gun" to the American market in the 1950s with the Single Six, they soon came to the realization that it should be brought up-to-date in terms of safety, and they developed a transfer-bar system for it. They will retrofit this system into any Single Six of any vintage, free of charge, original owner or not. There's your irresponsible firearms industry, Mikey. Somewhat analogous to putting air-bags in your replica Model-T, but hey, why not? Safety first.

[mikeysnot]

26. Of course no charges...

it's TX of course...

http://www.khou.com/story/local/2014/08/02/11425250/

[sarisataka]

28. The case is going to a grand jury

So one cannot positively say no charges

[mikeysnot]

29. Was from 2011

In 2012...

No criminal charges were ever brought against the concealed handgun license holder whose gun caused such damage to the 72-year-old woman’s body in January last year, and a personal injury civil suit seeking to alleviate the victim’s financial burden was recently settled.

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/kingwood/news/civil-suit-in-raffa-s-shooting-settles-injuries-remain/article_2df0bb8e-1479-5f82-88e5-387fecf63cf0.html

Guns save lives.

[sarisataka]

31. That wasn't in your link

So grand jury didn't bring charges but a civil suit was settled. It seems to have been taken care of; whether good, bad or justly I suppose depends on the persons involved.

Guns save lives? Like hammers build houses?

[mikeysnot]

32. face plant.

twisted up like a pretzel.

[sarisataka]

34. Which part

That the case passed through our legal system? I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the end result. Were I involved I might have wanted a different outcome.

Or the part about an inanimate object taking action on its own? Items designed to be used by human hands cannot do anything, be it positive or negative, on their own.

[mikeysnot]

36. Well at least you admint

guns are dangerous in human hands...

[sarisataka]

37. I do not recall

ever claiming otherwise

[mikeysnot]

38. memory refresh...

Items designed to be used by human hands cannot do anything, be it positive or negative, on their own.

[sarisataka]

39. And I did not claim

Guns are not dangerous in that statement.

I pointed out the fact that if you put a gun and a hammer on a shelf the gun is as likely to go on a crime spreed as the hammer is to leap up and build a house. They will merely sit there and collect dust.

Once a human picks them up, there is potential- both positive and negative.

The human may use the hammer to build a house, or beat his neighbor to death.

The gun may be used to shoot a neighbor, or carried by a police officer on patrol.

Neither item can act on its own. It takes a human to actualize the potential in each device.

[mikeysnot]

40. Thank you!

Once again, the reason for sound reasonable gun control comes from a gun proliferation supporter, because guns in human hands are dangerous!

[sarisataka]

44. I've always supported regulation

UBC, storage laws, accountability for negligence and misuse...

Commonsense legislation to encourage safe, responsible use and ownership including due process restrictions on rights of those at risk or likely to abuse their right and use it to harm others.

Do you agree or by "sound reasonable gun control" you mean laws that essentially prohibit private ownership
ownership?

[ManiacJoe]

35. All guns are dangerous.

Well at least you admit that "old" guns are dangerous
baby steps...

All guns are dangerous. That is what makes them useful as tools.

[mikeysnot]

41. "That is what makes them useful as tools. "

I know, for killing people!

[ManiacJoe]

45. That is one of many valid uses.

That is not a problem as long as the correct persons are getting killed.

Unfortunately there are some folks out there who are illegally killing others. I am not one of those criminals, as I assume you are not.

[Straw Man]

17. Dropped?

They also go off when dropped

Or so liars who don't want to admit to fucking up would have you believe. Ditto for the hugging stories and cleaning stories and the other bullshit people say to try to save their own negligent asses.

Modern handguns are designed to be "drop safe." They do not go off when dropped. You can thank those negligent gun manufacturers for that.

And this kid must have a really LOOOOONNNNNNG finger...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/#.U9_ktfldXL8

He most assuredly had his finger squeezing the trigger the entire time. The gun -- under force of recoil -- rotated around the axis of the trigger until it was pointing back at the kid. Had he let go of the trigger, the gun would have stopped firing and, of course, stopped rotating. Unfortunately, a panic response is usually to grip tighter. That was fatal in this case.

A short-barreled full-auto weapon is extremely dangerous and hard to control. He wasn't strong enough to control it, and it should not have been placed in his hands in any circumstances. IMO, the father and the range officer should both have been brought up on charges.

[clffrdjk]

6. Signature guns

As soon as they are reliable, come in a design I like, and don't add more than 10% to the cost I will be interested. The idea of a mandate thought is a total non starter.

[mikeysnot]

13. Non starter

for those ignorant of reality.

[clffrdjk]

21. So it's not about the tech or safety, it is about more control.

[blueridge3210]

24. It's always about more control.

Magazine limits, cosmetic features, storage requirements, insurance requirements, "smart gun" mandates are all about control. Business as usual for some in the pro-control ( or should I say "gun safety&quot crowd.

[mikeysnot]

25. Safety.

[clffrdjk]

27. Bullshit.

If it was truly about safety you wouldn't be trying to mandate a product that not one person has bought. You would be trying to spread awareness, trying to get people to actually buy the tech, or even want to buy the tech.
No you are jumping on the bandwagon because you see it as a pathway to more gun control, not a damn thing to do with safety.

[mikeysnot]

30. You're funny

how long did it take for you to create this fantasy world you live in?

[clffrdjk]

33. What fantasy world?

I am not the one doing literally nothing to promote safety while at the same time claiming it as my driving force.

[mikeysnot]

42. Promote safety! Exactly!

remove the danger! Another well reasoned point for removing guns from society!

[clffrdjk]

43. So I was right in post 21

You just see smart guns as a path to banning guns.

[mikeysnot]

46. another face plant...

[clffrdjk]

50. Yea it is rather funny watching you spin, it's kind of like jackass.

[mikeysnot]

54. Good luck with that...

[NYC_SKP]

47. Bullshit, it's not safety to complicate a simple tool with electronics that will fail.

And, like a poll tax, it's in serious violation of my civil rights to make the conditions of owning a firearm so onerous as to exclude them from all but the wealthiest people.

Open your eyes and you'll find that every gun rights supporter here is in favor of background checks, safety courses, and safe storage.

[mikeysnot]

48. A simple "tool"

that kills people simply... Nice. At least your honest with your motinves. Cheap, easily accessible and easy to use.

[NYC_SKP]

49. No, careless and/or evil people kill people, guns don't do shit without an asshole attached. AND...

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There already are laws on the book that require that these tools be made to certain standards so that they can't, for example, just fire themselves off because a door was opened or a breeze came along.

Show me a case, just one case, in which a gun was unsafely discharged without an asshole attached to it.

I don't think you can find one.

[unblock]

3. click camera not gun. click camera not gun. click camera not gun.

[shedevil69taz]

4. Here are a few rules to follow when thinking about handling a firearm

1. Always treat the gun as loaded.
2. Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
3. Always keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4. Always keep the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
5. Never point the gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.
6. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
7. Learn the mechanical and handling characteristics of the gun you are using.
8. Always use proper Ammunition.
9. Be sure the barrel is clear of obstructions before loading and shooting.
10. If your gun fails to fire when the trigger is pulled, hold your shooting position for several seconds; then with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, carefully unload the gun.
11. Don't rely on the gun's safety to keep it from firing.
12. Be aware of your surroundings when handling guns so you don't trip or lose your balance and accidentally point and/or fire the gun at anyone or anything.

Let's play a game and see if we can identify which one(s) Mr. Aguilar did not follow.

Not saying he deserved to die, but when you do similarly stupid things in a automobile (speeding, not wearing a seat belt, driving aggressively) I tend to not have very much sympathy for you.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. It's sounds like he had a propensity for reckless behavior in general.

Are we certain that had all guns everywhere been banned he still wouldn't have met an untimely end by some other means? And who the hell borrows a gun, points it at their head and then pulls the trigger?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

8. Mexico has all those good laws about not having guns

This must have happened in the US... oops, no, Northern Mexico City.
Maybe he drove the 600 miles to the border and smuggled a gun in from the US just to take a selfie. You think?

Don't start handling a gun after you've been drinking.

[DonP]

9. That's right. Only one gun store in the whole country and most guns banned

That's the ideal for some folks.

IIRC, if you pass the stringent background check, you're allowed a .22 rifle and/or a .38 revolver.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

10. The gun in question here is a .45

Calibers over .38/.380 are illegal for private citizens. I'm not sure about the BC, license or registration requirements.

[jimmy the one]

11. another one, by a firearms training instructor

Aug 4, 2014 The Police officer was teaching them to shoot, and while showing them how to clear the chamber of a jammed semi-automatic … he shot himself in the hand. " 'I made a classic mistake,'" Thanks to the bullet wound in his left hand, mmm 35, will be out of work for two months while he recovers from surgery.

The lesson took place July 15, and involved his own 9mm pistol. Regardless, the incident will be investigated internally by the department and there will be consequences..."I do see a potential for some re-teaching and some remediation," ...has been the Hewitt PD’s firearms instructor for five of the 11 years he’s been on the force.
http://www.newser.com/story/191942/firearms-instructor-shoots-himself-during-gun-lesson.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_topnews

[NYC_SKP]

19. How do you feel about having a national registry for all new gun purchases, and then...

...as we roll out and require smart "safe" technologies, we can allow these registered sales but also justify "collection" of all those "unsafe" old guns out there?

Would you like that?

[Eleanors38]

20. Mexico City? With all those gun laws? One gun store?

Sorry this guy is dead, victim of pre-packaged danger culture. Reminds me of the last lines in "The Ballad of Irving:"

Well, finally Irving got three slugs in the belly,
It was just outside the Frontier Deli.
While sitting there twirling his gun around,
Butter fingers Irving gunned himself down.

[ileus]

23. Musta been a Glock.

[MADem]

51. How horrible.

I honestly thought, when I read the headline, that the poor guy thought he was pushing the button to take the picture and pulled the trigger instead....

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

53. Tangential, but '21, a veterinarian'?

Mexico must not require a lot of training to become a vet if he was already one at 21, unless he was some amazing child prodigy.