Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:30 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

Interesting rule changes in GD re: Guns. Can't link

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

but I shared my thoughts. You may wish to as well.

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Interesting rule changes in GD re: Guns. Can't link (Original post)	Eleanors38	Jul 2014	OP
Here's a link and the part about guns:	NYC_SKP	Jul 2014	#1
The prevalence of guns makes keeping them out of the "wrong hands" a fool's errand.	Loudly	Jul 2014	#2
OK, I have to admit that I am surprised that even you	ManiacJoe	Jul 2014	#3
Ah! There's something in Chrome Moly we haven't discovered.	Eleanors38	Jul 2014	#8
The analogy is intended to illustrate why some things are not generally available.	Loudly	Jul 2014	#10
"For the good of society."	beevul	Jul 2014	#12
Notice what's missing from that quote?	Loudly	Jul 2014	#14
You're welcome.	beevul	Jul 2014	#15
I prefer Brown reversing Plessey.	Loudly	Jul 2014	#18
Hey,	IronGate	Jul 2014	#20
So gun control would be analogous to the War on Drugs?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2014	#5
You're a hoot, Skippy	SecularMotion	Jul 2014	#4
Hey SecMo, I gotta give you credit, you've had some good runs at it....	NYC_SKP	Jul 2014	#7
The rule against "Dragnet crime blotter" is good...	Eleanors38	Jul 2014	#6
Both are good points, I think "going viral" is an absolute loser, ill defined, inviting trouble.	NYC_SKP	Jul 2014	#9
If "gun porn" is enforced, will the droll cartoons end?	Eleanors38	Jul 2014	#11
What! And cripple their best arguments? N/T	DonP	Jul 2014	#17
It's a legit question, since they want no pics...	Eleanors38	Jul 2014	#19
Is this some sort of desperate effort to distract GD from wars raging over "50 Shades of Meh"?	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2014	#13
Any port in a storm of boring tediousness.	Eleanors38	Jul 2014	#16
Locking	krispos42	Jul 2014	#21

Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:40 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

1. Here's a link and the part about guns:

GUNS

News stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about efforts to strengthen or weaken gun control legislation in any jurisdiction in the United States, national news stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about high-profile gun crimes, and viral political content from social media or blogs that would likely be of interest to a large majority of DU members are permitted under normal circumstances.

Local stories about gun crime and "gun porn" threads showing pictures of guns or discussing the merits of various firearms are not permitted under normal circumstances and should be posted in the Gun Control and RKBA Group.

Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

It's now explicit that local or national legislation is a fair topic, but local gun crime is not unless it's pretty big news.

It's an opening for the three or two members who like to push the limits to fill GD with gun poo, but I think these posts will sink.

And, for the most part, such posts aren't making a dent in the movement to preserve and strengthen the Second Amendment.

I just wish they'd get out of the way and work with us toward meaningful reform and improvements to keep guns out of the wrong hands.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:47 PM

Loudly (2,436 posts)

2. The prevalence of guns makes keeping them out of the "wrong hands" a fool's errand.

Why are you trying to restrict my access to morphine?

I'm a responsible morphine user.

Why are you punishing me, a responsible morphine user, because of the abuse and misbehavior of irresponsible morphine users?

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Response to Loudly (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:52 PM

ManiacJoe (10,124 posts)

3. OK, I have to admit that I am surprised that even you

would try to compare an addictive opiate to an inanimate object. Or are you trying to suggest that guns are some type of magic talisman?

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:02 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

8. Ah! There's something in Chrome Moly we haven't discovered.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:09 PM

Loudly (2,436 posts)

10. The analogy is intended to illustrate why some things are not generally available.

For the good of society.

Despite their capability to be used without injury necessarily following.

Once upon a time, people used morphine at their own discretion as a medicinal choice.

Whose lives were not all ruined by it.

But generalized access to morphine was cut off at the beginning of the 20th century.

Because some people couldn't handle it.

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Response to Loudly (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:44 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

12. "For the good of society."

“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One’s right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”

Justice Robert H. Jackson of the Supreme Court 1943

"For the good of society" in this case, requires amending the bill of rights.

Good luck.

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Response to beevul (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:52 PM

Loudly (2,436 posts)

14. Notice what's missing from that quote?

He had the requisite sense of shame not to mention guns.

He knew it would make him sound like an idiot to expressly call any such thing a "right."

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Response to Loudly (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:05 PM

beevul (12,194 posts)

15. You're welcome.

"One’s right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”

You might go brush up on Dred Scott now, before you repeat your mistake and say something else which is disconnected from reality.

You're welcome.

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Response to beevul (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:50 PM

Loudly (2,436 posts)

18. I prefer Brown reversing Plessey.

SCOTUS recognizes that American society is in the process of rejecting the injustice of its previous jurisprudence.

And reverses course in order to save face as a progressive force.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:06 PM

IronGate (2,186 posts)

20. Hey,

he's not comparing gun ownership to child porn anymore, at least not yet.

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Response to Loudly (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:56 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

5. So gun control would be analogous to the War on Drugs?

So many successes to build upon. I'm sure, just like its predecessor, it will also come with stories of hyper-militarized police throwing stun grenades into the cribs of infants.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:55 PM

SecularMotion (7,981 posts)

4. You're a hoot, Skippy

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:00 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

7. Hey SecMo, I gotta give you credit, you've had some good runs at it....

I'm curious if it's going to feel the same now that it doesn't violate the SOP to post gun stories.

I mean it's sometimes fun to push limits or see what can be slipped in, and I know you've read some of the exchanges in the host forum re guns.

To be honest, I'm not going to miss the infighting, once you've seen the range of ways to twist the meaning of certain phrases to suit an agenda, it gets boring.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:57 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

6. The rule against "Dragnet crime blotter" is good...

if fairly enforced. I have my doubts. I am concerned about the rather promiscuous definition of "going viral:" One could make your cat's halitosis sound like a plague, thus leveraging out a blown-off toe in Pensacola into Civil War II.

Reputable sources. Does ANYONE on the control side consider ANY "pro-gun" source reputable? Mention "Shooters, "Rifle & Pistol," "Ammoland," or anything of that nature, and a finger points and a tongue roles back like Donald Sutherland's in Body Snatchers.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:02 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

9. Both are good points, I think "going viral" is an absolute loser, ill defined, inviting trouble.

And reputable source, well, if it comes from MotherJones and is a lie, that's OK.

But if it comes from a less progressive source but is true, some hosts will lock it.

Generally, it will depend a lot on who's on duty at the time.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:24 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

11. If "gun porn" is enforced, will the droll cartoons end?

Inquiring minds gots to know.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:49 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

17. What! And cripple their best arguments? N/T

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Response to DonP (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:52 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

19. It's a legit question, since they want no pics...

I'll promptly alert on the first one I see.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:48 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

13. Is this some sort of desperate effort to distract GD from wars raging over "50 Shades of Meh"?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:29 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

16. Any port in a storm of boring tediousness.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:15 PM

krispos42 (49,445 posts)

21. Locking

While an interesting rule change (and one that will be amusing to watch), it doesn't affect the SoP or the policies of this Group.

Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host

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