Pregnant FL woman dies after being shot in head by friend showing off his gun collection

[doxydad]

A Brookesville, Florida, woman, who was five months pregnant, has died after accidentally being shot in the head Saturday night while visiting a friend who was showing off his gun collection, reports the Tampa Bay Times.

Katherine Lynn Hoover, 25, died early Sunday morning after being airlifted to Regional Medical Center Bayonet Point. Doctors removed her unborn child Saturday night in an effort to save him, but were unable to do so.

According to authorities, Hoover and her husband, Carson, were visiting William DeHayes at his home early Saturday evening. As DeHayes showed off his gun collection, a .22 caliber revolver fired and the bullet struck Katherine Hoover in the head.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/pregnant-woman-dies-after-accidentally-being-shot-in-head/2190285

[Agschmid]

1. Wtf.

[enough]

2. It's time for criminal penalties for gun owners whose guns end up accidentally killing people. (nt)

[mikeysnot]

3. and they wonder why we call them gun nuts...

[Starboard Tack]

4. Remember, guns don't kill people, except when they do.

The cops say they think it was an accident. I'd love to know how they came to that conclusion.
Obviously the gun was loaded. Was it loaded by accident? Why would anyone be handling loaded guns in a social setting?
What a tragedy. This poor girl was a "stay-at-home-mom". She should've stayed at home instead of going to see the gun collection of an idiot.

This guy needs to be charged with involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment. But, as it happened in Florida, I'm sure he'll get a pass and get to keep all his guns.

Time to grow up, America. Guns are NOT cool, as tempting as it is to think they are.

[gejohnston]

36. The cops say they think it was an accident. I'd love to know how they came to that conclusion.

Hernando County Sheriff's department. That says it all. I rate them up there with Citrus County. The cops in Sweetwater County cops might be a bunch of hicks, but they are on the ball. They don't suffer from perpetual summer cooking their brains and having to look at the monoculture of sprawl to deaden their senses. Shit, I'm starting to sound like hockymom.
Unless it was a really old revolver and it dropped on the floor hitting the hammer, I agree it should be negligent manslaughter.

[samsingh]

47. a double murder

[gejohnston]

54. I'm not saying I disagree with you

on two counts of manslaughter (Florida's mandatory min kicks in anyway) but you would get resistance from many pro choice folks, and get support from anti choice folks. That whole slippery slope thing.

[Jake Stern]

5. If this guy had killed her while showing off

What his car could do there's a 99% chance he'd be charged with an offense but it was a gun so it was just a "tragic accident".

[oneshooter]

6. doxydad, can you find anything that is not on GD first? n/t

[otohara]

9. Is There A Problem?

Besides the obvious one .... Women are dying. Men and bullets are to blame.

[otohara]

7. When Will Women Learn

stay the fuck away from men with guns.

Let them shoot each other, not you!

[Eleanors38]

15. About 20% of women got their own guns. They are

clogging up the ranges with CCW classes. Barely find space to sight-in my deer rifle.

[otohara]

17. Yes I've Seen Them - Carrying Their

weapons on one shoulder and their kid on the other hip prancing around and posing for selfie pictures

They are brainwashed by their husbands and the NRA - convenced they too need to be bad asses

It's a culture I have never witnessed until recently and it makes me wanna -

[Eleanors38]

18. Actually, this "culture" is new to most everyone.

The women I know who carry don't talk about it, and shouldn't. And the vast majority of them won't talk to you about it, unless you are interested in arming yourself.

The open-carry outlook is actually a ploy. The activists in thus group really want the Texas Legislature to legalize open-carry of handguns; their interest is not in long guns, but it is legal and serves their interests to demonstrate and pressure the government to pass OC of handguns. I don't favor OC, but have noted some vociferous gun-control people in DU who argue that if any carry is allowed, it should be "open" so they will know who to avoid, or from whom they should keep their kids.

Strange bedfellows.

[Starboard Tack]

37. Better the devil you know

I don't blame women for wanting to carry. On a certain level it makes sense, considering all the male assholes there are in this world, but I encourage them to think long and hard about such a decision. Because they'd better be prepared to kill, or they will most likely be worse off than being unarmed, should they find themselves in a confrontation with one of those assholes.

Fact is, that women are more likely than men to hesitate when it comes down to actually killing someone. Not all, by any means, but in general women are more loathe to kill fellow humans than their male counterparts. And that is just the nature of the beast.

The best advice for women is to avoid dangerous men and if you are going to arm yourselves, go for less than lethal methods, unless you are sure you have the "killer instinct".

[Eleanors38]

42. Your 2nd paragraph is reminiscent of "mother love"

arguments of another era. I see no evidence that women are any less likely to pull the trigger.

[Starboard Tack]

44. You must be kidding

Or maybe you are talking about people who already have their fingers on the trigger. And even then, I think you'd be wrong.
Look at the statistics and get back to me on that one.

[Eleanors38]

45. Oh, I'd like to see that data, too. Fascinating.

[oneshooter]

19. My Loving Wife has had her Texas CHL for over 15 years.

We practice weekly, she is very good. Does this, in your less than humble opinion, make her any less of a woman?

[otohara]

26. Did She Own The Gun

before or after the marriage?

[oneshooter]

40. She had a 22 rifle and a 20ga shotgun when we got married.

What difference does it make?

[beevul]

20. Uh huh.

"They are brainwashed by their husbands and the NRA "

Because women who make choices different than you, and/or see the issue different than you, are surely brainwashed.

Since you brought up brainwashing, explain why it isn't you brainwashed by anti-gun propaganda spewed from anti-gun propagandists and their overzealous followers.

[otohara]

28. Brainwashing In The Gun Culture Doesn't Exist ...

Right...that's why The NRA and other gun culture organizations target women, children and it's working. Cuz in Murika nothing works like fear.

[beevul]

32. " Cuz in Murika nothing works like fear."

Physician, heal thy self.

Oh, you never did explain:

How isn't it you that's brainwashed.

[otohara]

33. Proudly Brainwashed For Peace, Safety & Non Violence

for all, especially women and children.

No guns, they do a body and mind harm.

[beevul]

35. At least you admit you are brainwashed.

That makes your statements against these other women projection.

Yup.

[otohara]

38. Will You Ever Get Tired of The Daily Murders

and easy suicides or are you just happy to have your gun and those dead folks are just collateral damage?

[beevul]

46. Will you ever stop beating your dog? N/T

[otohara]

50. Questions w/ Questions

and nasty ass comments that get deleted.

Intimidation comes easy when you've got your guns close by.

The "weapons effect"
Research shows that the mere presence of weapons increases aggression.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-psyched/201301/the-weapons-effect

If you don't like my posts put me on ignore.

[beevul]

51. Wasn't mine that got deleted.

And the question I asked you, was a fair parallel to the one you asked.

Sorry you don't like it.

Maybe you should take your own advice if you can't take what you dish out, and put me on ignore.

[sarisataka]

21. You seem to have a low

Opinion of women's intelligence and willpower

[blueridge3210]

23. That appears to be "business as usual" for the pro-control side. (nt)

[otohara]

24. Just Many Married Women

most of whom change to please their man.

Like my friend who was once one of the coolest gals until she married a republican and now sounds like Sarah Palin.

Or the old lady I took care of who before she died was an Obama hating conservative but spoke lovingly of FDR. I asked her
when she switched and it was when she married the republican some 40 years later.

Gawd there's so many.

Here honey I think you need a gun even though having a gun in the house puts you and the children at danger (mostly from me) in case you piss me off, cuz I might just kill myself and take you with me. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/ But trust me, it's for your own protection even though chances are slim to none you'll ever use the gun for protection.

Then there's the fact that many married women stay in abusive relationships, I think it's called Stockholm Syndrome.

and just for fun, who does this? Mom or Dad?

[oneshooter]

25. Care to answer Post #19? Or are you going to ignore the question asked? n/t

[otohara]

29. Your Turn

care to check out the pics I posted and comment?

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. I did, and will. Your stereotypes of women who don't agree with you are just as bigoted...

...as any offered up by the RW. Your approach, at heart, is little different from those
that can be found at Free Republic or Conservative Cave <spits>

Only the objects of scorn differ...

[otohara]

31. Not Bigoted, Just Horrified

By the disgusting selfies and open carry doucebags prancing around scaring the shit out of the rest of us.

I found my kid at the neighbor's house years ago. Mom left, told them don't answer the phone, don't answer the door.

When I went down there after no one answered the phone and what did I find when peeking through the window?
Her son's pulled out 3 guns and there they were scrambling to hide the guns while I nearly had a stroke. My son's safety
was at risk, yes?

These silly gun culture people keep doing stupid stuff and killing people - what's a mother to think?

Another neighbor is still grieving about the murder/suicide of her only child.. 9 years old. Her ex was responsible
until he was 60.

Gun owners, you just never know when they might snap.

[sarisataka]

27. You know much different women than I know

My wife has come to enjoy target shooting but is even more of a hardcore Dem than before. She is also active in pro-LGBT issues.

I have another close friend who got rid of almost every gun he owned after getting married. The two he still has have been disassembled for years. Interestingly she knows I carry and am the only person she allows to be armed in her home. Her only request is that I make sure it is well concealed.

I don't know anyone who has their kids pose with firearms. My children each have an airsoft gun that is kept locked with my firearms; the plastic BBs are with my ammo. In short, the "toy" is handled the same as an actual firearm.

[samsingh]

48. agreed

[sarisataka]

8. I would bet cash money

The gun was in someone's hand; it wasn't just sitting on the shelf and went bang.

The person that hand is connected to should face charges.

[Eleanors38]

16. Yep. You don't just "drop" a revolver made since Bo Diddley charted

and have it go off. You have to specifically use the trigger. He should face charges.

[ManiacJoe]

10. The Four Safety Rules.

Violate one and you scare folks.
Violate two or more and someone will probably die.

[SQUEE]

11. Violate 2 and that happens?

At the very least manslaughter, I would prefer Murder 2, willfull disregard fall under malice aforethought

[ManiacJoe]

12. Yes, see this event as an example.

Gun not treated as loaded (rule 1)
Gun pointed at woman's head (rule 2)

Most likely there was also a rule 3 violation, finger on trigger.

http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/colonel-jeff-cooper-carry-conditions-and-firearm-safety/

[SQUEE]

13. I was less than clear I think..

yes obviously 2 if not 3 of the 4 rules were broken, I was trying to say, if you break 2, much less 3... Manslaughter or even Murder 2.

[samsingh]

49. idiots inspired to think they are patriotic because they have guns and to show them off

[gejohnston]

14. I vote

negligent manslaughter. I can't picture where excusable would come in. For murder two, the State would have to prove "depraved mind regardless of human life".

(2)?The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.04.html

(1)?The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.07.html

782.03?Excusable homicide.—Homicide is excusable when committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent, or by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, without any dangerous weapon being used and not done in a cruel or unusual manner.
History.—s. 6, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2379; GS 3204; RGS 5034; CGL 7136; s. 1, ch. 75-13.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.03.html

[ileus]

22. Never cover someone with the muzzle of a firearm.

Safety first...time to show your collection after verified empty.

[3catwoman3]

34. When reporting such occurences...

...they REALLY should not be referred to as accidents. They are flat out negligence.

[pablo_marmol]

43. Your pandemic of propaganda won't convince intelligent folks

that there is an epidemic of gun mayhem.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

[randys1]

52. darn, and in that "ridiculous" scenario I laid out where all guns are unable to shoot at humans

which would have saved this woman's life, and in that argument I found not a single gun owner willing to give up their human killing guns

if it meant no gun could kill a human (maybe one agreed, not sure, thread locked and I dont want to go back and look)


oh well, another death i guess


good thing that "ridiculous" idea of mine cant ever come to reality, saving MILLIONS of lives...(the point wasnt was my idea possible, but IF it was what would YOU say to it)

[gwheezie]

53. these incidents are not accidents

someone took a loaded gun and pointed it at someone else, how stupid are people? it doesn't excuse accountability, it's like leaving the baby in the hot car, maybe you didn't mean to kill anyone but it happened because of something you did that did not conform with what is considered appropriate behavior. I'm tired of hearing about the tragic accidents, someone made the decision to behave recklessly, that is not accidental.

[louis-t]

55. Which excuse did he use?

"I didn't know it was loaded."
"It was an accident."
"I was cleaning it and it went off."