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Thu May 29, 2014, 11:12 AM

 

You say gun control doesn't work? Fine. Let's ban guns altogether.

In a post Tuesday, I listed the mass shootings since January 2013 in which at least three people were killed. Itís an agonizingly, depressingly long list, and I cited it as the prime reason we need meaningful gun control. The post received the usual blowback from gun owners, most of whom skipped over the scope of gun deaths in this country to look more myopically at last weekís tragic events at Isla Vista (which I mentioned only in passing, seeing this problem as much broader than the most recent headlines).

But there also have been responses from people who share my disgust at the endless gun violence that pervades American culture. A few asked what should be done. My personal preference? Itís a decidedly minority viewpoint, but I say, ban them, with a carve-out for hunting weapons.

For example: Hunters could own shotguns (and rifles where state laws allow them for hunting), but they would have to be registered and the owners would have to pass a gun safety course before they could get a hunting license (already a requirement in most, if not all, places). That license would be a prerequisite for registering a hunting weapon. Resale of a weapon should be monitored to preclude passing it along to unqualified people. Ammunition sales would be tracked much like we do sales of pseudoephinedrine (an ingredient in meth).

As for handguns, assault-style weapons, etc., letís have a flat-out ban. Beyond the histrionics of the gun lobby, there is no defensible reason for such weapons to be a part of our culture. They exist for one purpose: to kill. Yes, hobbyists also like to use guns for target shooting and other nonlethal purposes, but itís hard to say that desire for sport outweighs the atrocious level of gun-related deaths in this country.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

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Reply You say gun control doesn't work? Fine. Let's ban guns altogether. (Original post)
SecularMotion May 2014 OP
yeoman6987 May 2014 #1
hlthe2b May 2014 #2
yeoman6987 May 2014 #4
gejohnston May 2014 #6
oneshooter May 2014 #21
hlthe2b May 2014 #32
oneshooter May 2014 #33
hlthe2b May 2014 #34
Eleanors38 May 2014 #11
gejohnston May 2014 #3
Starboard Tack May 2014 #10
gejohnston May 2014 #14
petronius May 2014 #5
blueridge3210 May 2014 #7
Leme May 2014 #8
Eleanors38 May 2014 #9
DonP May 2014 #12
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #24
Post removed May 2014 #26
AtheistCrusader May 2014 #27
Starboard Tack May 2014 #13
SecularMotion May 2014 #15
Starboard Tack May 2014 #17
clffrdjk May 2014 #18
oneshooter May 2014 #22
gejohnston May 2014 #16
krispos42 May 2014 #19
ileus May 2014 #20
beevul May 2014 #23
locks May 2014 #25
DonP May 2014 #31
aikoaiko May 2014 #28
sarisataka May 2014 #29
kudzu22 May 2014 #30

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:15 AM

1. That sounds good

 

too bad that will never happen. Although I do wonder if we get the Congress back if it COULD happen. I know we had the Congress a few years ago, but gun control has really come to the forefront of everyone's mind the last couple years. I think it could happen....VOTE like you life depends on it in November cuz it could.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:21 AM

2. That's what was said in Australia--until they did.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:28 AM

4. That is true

 

I don't know why I seem to forget Australia and what they were able to accomplish. Thanks for the reminder.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #4)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:40 AM

6. They didn't actually accomplish anything

Port Author was a one time event. Nothing like it before or after.There were a couple of mass shootings with shotguns, and a couple with a rifle and knife in the 1980s. Since NFA, there has been one mass shooting and several mass murder by arson. There is no evidence that NFA had anything to do with it.
All of the Australian states had strict gun laws (there are no federal gun laws) to begin with. The killer did not have a license for his guns, nor did were they registered to him, as required in Tasmania at the time. In fact, one of the guns was stolen from a police evidence room.
The crime rate was already dropping, and continued to drop at the same rate. The suicide rate did not drop.
Private gun ownership of guns, including handguns, are now exceeding pre NFA levels. Not only are there more guns, but more gun owners.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Thu May 29, 2014, 07:48 PM

21. I thought you had trashes this forum. Never wanted to post here again.

More truth from a gun banner.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #21)

Fri May 30, 2014, 08:45 PM

32. You are confused. I have never discussed trashing this or any other forum on DU...

I've never even discussed that particular function. I'm sure you are honorable enough to admit your mistake and apologize for your ugly retort?



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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #32)

Sat May 31, 2014, 12:12 AM

33. You are right, I have you confused with another poster,

My heartfelt apologies for soiling your reputation.


And if that ain't enough, pistols at dawn?

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #33)

Sat May 31, 2014, 08:29 AM

34. I'll take that....



no duel necessary

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:41 PM

11. Old Al. He loved the smell of prohibition in the morning.

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:23 AM

3. That has been tried too

DC and Jamaica. I think there should be a ban on major news papers printing opinion pieces that are as well thought out and rational as the letters to the editor of Spotlight.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #3)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:40 PM

10. Tsk, tsk! Abolish the First Amendment to keep the Second? Really?

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #10)

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:02 PM

14. no,

reasonable restrictions to weed out the irrational pushing agi-prop. Some of it can be very dangerous. There are laws against hate speech in Canada and Germany. In the US we have speech codes in universities. Some on DU support hate speech laws and the FCC censoring media.
In all honesty, I oppose all of the above. Some poorly written op ed in the LA Times is hardly a threat to the Second or any other amendment.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:37 AM

5. Bit of cognitive dissonance there at the end:

(By comparison, the 1st Amendment, near and dear to my heart, is not absolute: We have libel laws, which inherently limit free speech for the sake of the broader good, yet even journalists recognize them as a reasonable compromise.)

So my personal view: Ban the guns, and slowly but inexorably bring our culture back from this violent, communal madness.

On the one hand, he gives himself a nice pat on the back for agreeing to a narrow and focused restriction on the Amendment he does care about, and in the next sentence argues for the complete (judicial and legislative) erasing of the Amendment he doesn't care about.

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Response to petronius (Reply #5)

Thu May 29, 2014, 11:53 AM

7. I'm always reassured

 

by those who wish to restrict my rights but not their own. Regarding the OP; I wonder if there was something he wished to discuss?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:13 PM

8. would be ok with me I guess

 

I would choose a shotgun for home defense, but I know my circumstances...you do not.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:39 PM

9. Oh, let's have a flat out ban! Who's this writer speaking to?

 

I have a good idea who's reading this stuff. And acting accordingly.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 12:58 PM

12. Don't forget to Bookmark this for the next "Nobody wants to take your guns away" post

 

3 deaths by stabbing + 3 by gun + 1 by BMW = "Shooting spree"?

All with no "assault weapons" involved, magazine limits, registration, waiting periods, background checks, everything the gun control "fans" have been demanding. And remember, any mention of mental health issues is just an NRA talking point.

After the initial flurry of righteous and shallow indignation fades we'll get the usual; "No one wants to take away your guns, you delicate flowers".

I just want to be sure we have lots of bookmarks from all the people demanding total gun bans. They'll deny they ever said it of course, or didn't mean it "that way".

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Response to DonP (Reply #12)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:54 AM

24. In fairness, a bunch of people were injured but not killed by gunfire as well.

It's not just the deaths that count.

I don't particularly have a problem with it being called a shooting spree, but it also serves to illustrate lethal intent with or without a gun.

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Fri May 30, 2014, 02:49 PM

27. There have been many such attacks.

Sometimes there are fatalities, sometimes not. The incident that springs to my mind, had 7 fatalities and 22 injuries.

I don't discount the injuries, myself. Sometimes they can be quite grievous and life-altering. Then again, I'm not an anti-gunner either.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:02 PM

13. There are two problems here.

First of all, you make no comment, which really pisses off you fellow duers. I've noticed you do the same in Religion.
This pisses me off, big time, because you usually post really good shit, much of which I agree with, including this one.

Secondly, it makes way too much sense to ever get past the US Congress.

PS. Your lack of response to those who take the time to read and respond to your OP's shows a total disrespect for your fellow members. This translates into a mutual disrespect for you. I may agree with most of what you post, but I have no idea where you are coming from. You could be a freeper shill for the NRA and the Christian Fundies, coming here to stir up shit for all I know.
So, quit pissing in the wind and start backing up your posts with your own thoughts and words and show some fucking respect for the rest of us. Just sayin'

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #13)

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:09 PM

15. I think you need to put me on ignore

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #15)

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:30 PM

17. No, I think you need to engage more.

I don't do ignore. Furthermore, I like much of what you post.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #15)

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:35 PM

18. Thanks guys this is the funniest thing I have seen all week.

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #15)

Thu May 29, 2014, 08:00 PM

22. I am begining to believe that you should be given a taste of your own medicine. n/t

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #13)

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:14 PM

16. That's because he doesn't have any respect

for many of his fellow members.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12626040#post8

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:51 PM

19. "Democrats are comin' fer yur gunz!"

They said mockingly...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 05:56 PM

20. What do you think the regressives plan is?

Of course it's always been a total ban on guns, but they know that wouldn't float.


So they propose failing law after failing law in hopes someday they can achieve their darkest never spoken desire. Anyone who posts here has known this is the ultimate goal for years.


That's why it's important that true progressives keep fighting the good fight and never give up.



I see the dumbass that wrote this is another "guns are for killing" ID10T. Never give another inch...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 10:38 PM

23. YES! Anti-gunners of DU, I urge you, shout it from the rooftops.

 

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YES! Anti-gunners of DU, I urge you, shout it from the rooftops.

Tell everyone you know.


Please, please, please do it.


Then we can get some popcorn and roast some marshmallows over the remaining embers of the credibility of the gun control movement.


Louder, pretty please?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 01:15 PM

25. Does not matter to me who posted this article

it's a great piece and should be read by all, especially the ones who make jokes about gun control.

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Response to locks (Reply #25)

Fri May 30, 2014, 08:44 PM

31. No, most of us make jokes about gun controllers, that's much easier. N/T

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 04:13 PM

28. Ban teh GUNZ!!!!111!!1


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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 04:33 PM

29. Luckily no one is talking about banning guns

...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri May 30, 2014, 08:25 PM

30. Well there goes the "nobody is coming for your guns" argument

It was fun while it lasted.

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