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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 04:31 PM Apr 2014

Despite objections from sheriffs group, reckless gun bill still on target

The Florida Sheriffs Association is the latest victim of NRA bullying.

I wrote last week about what happened to the Florida National Guard's lawyer who told a Florida Senate committee that it wasn't a good idea to allow all the state's legal gun owners -- most of whom haven't bothered to be trained to carry concealed weapons -- to carry concealed weapons after evacuating their homes during a state emergency, such as a hurricane.

"People aren't thinking clearly," Army Capt. Terrence Gorman told the Florida Senate Military and Veterans Affairs, Space and Domestic Security Committee. "And when they aren't thinking clearly, they probably shouldn't have a weapon shoved into the back of their pants. Especially when you're talking about thousands of people that have to be evacuated."

Gorman's testimony temporarily stalled the NRA-inspired Senate Bill 296, and angered its chief lobbyist Marion Hammer so much that she went straight to Gov. Rick Scott's office to complain about the lawyer's testimony.

http://www.ctpost.com/opinion/article/Cerabino-Despite-objections-from-sheriffs-group-5377463.php
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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. I see reading comprehension is not your forte
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 04:46 PM
Apr 2014

The previous article states opposition to the bill by the Florida National Guard.

The more recent article I just posted states that the Florida Sheriffs Association also opposes the bill.

Straw Man

(6,613 posts)
11. And I would see that pertinence is not yours.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 07:20 PM
Apr 2014
The previous article states opposition to the bill by the Florida National Guard.

The more recent article I just posted states that the Florida Sheriffs Association also opposes the bill.

Actually, it rehashes all the information of the previous article, tagging that bit about the Sheriff's Association at the end. It would have been better as an addendum to the previous thread, but if "brevity is the soul of wit," what are we to conclude about the lack of same?
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
2. So were suppose to agree with the Sheriffs in FL...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 04:44 PM
Apr 2014

So were suppose to agree with the Sheriffs in FL, but disagree with the sheriffs in CO, right?

Colorado Sheriffs Seek To Stop New High-Capacity Ammunition Magazine Limits Law

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/colorado-sheriffs-seek-to_0_n_3572703.html


So confusing.
 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
4. You're confused alright
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 04:52 PM
Apr 2014

The point of discussion here is opposition to the bill that the NRA is pushing through the Florida state legislature which allows any gun owner to public carry during a state of emergency.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
6. In your own words, whats wrong with the bill, and how would you improve it?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:16 PM
Apr 2014

In your own words, whats wrong with the bill, and how would you improve it?

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
8. Everything is wrong with the bill. It shouldn't even be considered.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:28 PM
Apr 2014

It's reckless disregard for public safety that says the rights of paranoid gun nuts trump everyone else.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
12. Thats a nice assertion, however...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 07:25 PM
Apr 2014

Thats a nice assertion, however, the "rights of paranoid gun nuts" are not in conflict with the rights of anyone else.

Or perhaps you can show me and everyone else here where they are.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
5. But the NOLA model is sooo much better, eh?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:15 PM
Apr 2014

The FL sheriff's just hope for the opportunity to kill and abuse some innocents following a disaster. ..A desire hampered by an armed citizenry. ..

 

ErikGuard1

(7 posts)
9. NOLA incident
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:31 PM
Apr 2014

I have a friend that the only way he was able to evacuate NOLA after Katrina was because he had a firearm. He was loading up his Yukon with supplies and went back into the house. It was his last trip to the car and he slung an AK over his shoulder and was carrying it and a cooler out to his car when he observed a group of about 10 men trying to open his vehicle. When he asked them what they were doing one of them yelled out "whatever the *&@# we like." He dropped his cooler and brought up the AK. He didn't even have to fire it just the presence of the weapon in the hands of a person who was not afraid to employ it was enough to send the group scattering. I would never evacuate my family in the event of a natural or man made disaster without my weapons weather I had a license or not.

Erik

spin

(17,493 posts)
15. If a person living in Florida feels that he/she might need to carry a concealed weapon
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:02 PM
Apr 2014

during an evacuation, I will suggest that they simply get a Florida Concealed Weapons Permit now. You might have to wait 3 months after you turn in the paperwork. It may be better to have a carry permit and never need it than to need a permit and not have it.

The initial cost of such a permit is extremely reasonable in Florida even considering the additional cost of a concealed weapons class. The permit is good for seven years.

Hurricane Charley was predicted to hit the Tampa Bay Area in 2004. I was in an evacuation zone so I left. I was legally carrying a concealed handgun as I had a license.

sir pball

(4,726 posts)
18. If the S ever *truly* HTF, I'm not carrying concealed. Or a handgun, for that matter.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:13 PM
Apr 2014

TBH if I ever actually had to pack a bag and head out of town, I'm probably going to be carrying a long arm. Openly. "Patrol Ready".

Then again, short of essentially total societal collapse, I don't ever see that situation arising. A natural disaster evacuation, I'd probably like to take my guns with me in portable, locked cases for security reasons, but that's about the extent of it.

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