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Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:30 PM

One more chance for gun owners

Time to put up or shut up, law abiders!



One more chance for gun owners

Monday, February 24, 2014



When state officials decided to accept some gun registrations and magazine declarations that arrived after a Jan. 4 deadline, they also had to deal with those applications that didn’t make the cut.

The state now holds signed and notarized letters saying those late applicants own rifles and magazines illegally.

But rather than turn that information over to prosecutors, state officials are giving the gun owners a chance to get rid of the weapons and magazines.



http://www.journalinquirer.com/politics_and_government/one-more-chance-for-gun-owners/article_2d8f816a-9d93-11e3-b18e-0019bb2963f4.html

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Reply One more chance for gun owners (Original post)
mwrguy Feb 2014 OP
Keefer Feb 2014 #1
rrneck Feb 2014 #2
mwrguy Feb 2014 #5
rrneck Feb 2014 #8
gejohnston Feb 2014 #9
mwrguy Feb 2014 #11
gejohnston Feb 2014 #14
Keefer Feb 2014 #10
pipoman Feb 2014 #17
Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #38
mwrguy Feb 2014 #3
gejohnston Feb 2014 #6
clffrdjk Feb 2014 #18
appal_jack Feb 2014 #20
mwrguy Feb 2014 #21
clffrdjk Feb 2014 #24
appal_jack Feb 2014 #26
Keefer Feb 2014 #36
Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #39
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #44
gejohnston Feb 2014 #58
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #60
gejohnston Feb 2014 #4
mwrguy Feb 2014 #7
NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #12
gejohnston Feb 2014 #13
rrneck Feb 2014 #15
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #56
rrneck Feb 2014 #59
proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #16
bossy22 Feb 2014 #19
clffrdjk Feb 2014 #22
bossy22 Feb 2014 #28
mwrguy Feb 2014 #23
bossy22 Feb 2014 #25
hack89 Feb 2014 #34
bossy22 Feb 2014 #35
Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #40
Lurks Often Feb 2014 #45
Niceguy1 Feb 2014 #27
Jenoch Feb 2014 #29
sarisataka Feb 2014 #30
Post removed Feb 2014 #31
SkatmanRoth Feb 2014 #32
Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #41
ileus Feb 2014 #33
chompers Feb 2014 #37
FreeSpirit123 Feb 2014 #42
armueller2001 Feb 2014 #57
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #43
LittleBlue Feb 2014 #46
spin Feb 2014 #47
sarisataka Feb 2014 #49
spin Feb 2014 #50
sarisataka Feb 2014 #52
spin Feb 2014 #54
hack89 Feb 2014 #51
sarisataka Feb 2014 #53
hack89 Feb 2014 #55
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #48
mwrguy Feb 2014 #61
gejohnston Feb 2014 #62
Straw Man Feb 2014 #63
sarisataka Feb 2014 #64
clffrdjk Feb 2014 #65
Lurks Often Feb 2014 #66

Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:43 PM

1. And if they DON'T?

Then what?

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Response to Keefer (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:44 PM

2. The next election. nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:47 PM

5. Felons can't vote

LOL it just gets better and better

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:48 PM

8. What makes you think they are

actually going to create thousands of felons. And if they do, each and every one of their friends and family certainty will.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:50 PM

9. only in a few states

CT isn't one of them
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/15/nyregion/felons-gain-voting-rights-in-connecticut.html
You really didn't think about this, did you?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:57 PM

11. Mea Culpa

The ones that aren't actually in jail can vote.

Big deal. They are a minority of voters, and a majority approves of the assault weapons law.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:00 AM

14. Actually no,

Like the NY SAFE Act, it was passed in the middle of the night unread. The majority of the politicians supported it, not the majority of the people. See Colorado.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:53 PM

10. Tell that to

Attorney General Holder. He wants felons to get their right to vote back.

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Response to Keefer (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:39 AM

17. so do I

 

It is recent history that they don't...pay your debt, get your rights back at some point.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:41 AM

38. Ummm. A prohi's dream: Punishment, "the sweetest of moral pleasures."

 

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Response to Keefer (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:46 PM

3. Notarized confession + Google maps + squad cars =

quick ride to jail, or cold dead hands, their choice

All those surplus MRAPs will finally come in handy.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:48 PM

6. After that will be a Republican landslide even in CT

after people see people getting blown away over victimless crimes. Bad idea.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:42 AM

18. So what you are saying

 

Is that I should never let my guns be registered because you are willing to start a civil war to grab them given half an opportunity. And that somehow makes me the bad guy.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:46 AM

20. Wow. Advocating state-sponsored terror against Americans for a victimless 'crime.'

 

Wow. Advocating state-sponsored terror against Americans for a victimless 'crime.'

This position of yours is insanity. It's also unconstitutional. It also will drive away otherwise sympathetic voters from the Democratic camp.

Nice job, keyboard commando.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:52 AM

21. Enforcing a democratically passed law is terror?

Settle down, Hannity. Don't the vapors.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:58 AM

24. So this law was passed by referendum?

 

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:11 AM

26. 'MRAPs' and 'cold dead hands' are your words, not mine.

 

'MRAPs' and 'cold dead hands' are your words, not mine. You are living in a fascist fantasy world, and the 'Hannity' moniker suits you quite well, I'd say.

Once you wipe-up the spooge from your little MRAP keyboard kommando dream and catch your breath, I hope that you can think about what you have advocated a little more clearly.

-app

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 10:52 AM

36. All those

"voter ID" laws were all "democratically passed" too.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:44 AM

39. Umm, umm, umm. I can smell the chemicals.

 

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:59 PM

44. And if Arizona's "Gay Jim Crow" law passes, you'll be cool with that too?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:15 PM

58. at the risk of being nit picky

it isn't really Jim Crow, even though the bill is as despicable. AFAIK, there isn't a penalty for not discriminating. Jim Crow laws mandated discrimination.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:27 PM

60. Good point

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:46 PM

4. prosecute over 300K people

with penalties stiffer than a pedophile would get for what is really an absurd victimless crime? It would actually crush the system and the backlash against the CT state government would be huge.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=137601
I have a better idea, let's round up all of the bong owners in the suburbs of Chicago, Newark, Camden, NOLA, and Oakland. They actually contribute to gun violence more than these guys. How? By providing the gangs money to fight over. Oh, and the growers that booby trap and pollute national parks, and will nonchalantly blow any wayward hiker while hoping prohibition never ends so they can keep their profits high and their taxes non existent.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:48 PM

7. Prosecute the living shit out of 100 people

The other 299,900 will get the message.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:57 PM

12. The 299,900 will, with others, vote the traitors and fools out of office.

 

I'm sick of this prelude to confiscation.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:59 PM

13. this is where I get

the idea that gun control advocates are not really liberals. Faux liberals maybe, but not real liberals. Think about it, Bloomberg is a right wing authoritarian that has disdain for all of the BoR, and the head of MDA is a former Monsanto PR executive.
This "message" won't be what you think it will be. One, crime will not go down. Two, elections are won by the middle.
Your outlook is why every kid in school and prospective citizen should lern all of the writings of Paine, Locke, and Democracy in America.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:08 AM

15. Fundamentalists tend to be authoritarians. nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:28 AM

56. I would have expected better of people whose label starts with the word "fun." n/t

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:58 PM

59. It's fun for them.

It's surprising how many assholes really enjoy being assholes.

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:36 AM

16. I foresee a lot of boating accidents from that neck of the woods.

 

Honest officer it was over there someplace in the deep water.

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:45 AM

19. it will be interesting to see what CT does next

the authorities are in a real bind in this one

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:53 AM

22. Well looking at Canada

 

My guess is. Spend10x's the amount of money they planed.
Offer numerous grace periods and still have abysmal compliance.
Have zero reduction in crime.
A near zero number of crimes solved using the registration.

Oops forgot to add end up funding the NRA for the next 10 years (only 5 if they repeal it before it goes to court) after their loss in court.

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Response to clffrdjk (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:12 AM

28. canada is actually interesting example

The LE agencies there didn't make a significant effort to enforce the registration laws there. IIRC in the beginning of the long gun registration program there was a proposal to go essentially "gun owner by gun owner" and checking to see if they registered their weapons- it was never tried because the estimated costs were way too high and there wasn't enough manpower to actually accomplish it

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:54 AM

23. They can't afford to be seen as weak on this.

imho

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:09 AM

25. but can they actually afford to be strong on this?

See, I'm trying to look at this objectively without interjecting my personal beliefs about the law or what should happen. While it's extremely important for a governmental body to be able to enforce all of its laws I'm not sure that there are enough LE resources in CT to do so in this case. For example, there are less than 1300 CT state police officers- how many would be required to go door to door looking for guns? I don't see the CT state police having large amounts of idle resources at their disposal- I believe like most public safety departments they have been asked to do more with less over the past 5 years.

So whether or not you believe strongly in gun control you have to sit back and look to see if it is truly worth it. How many people are you willing to send to jail? How much money are you willing to spend? These items (and others) aren't unlimited and will require trade offs. Do you take money from education and funnel it to LE efforts to confiscate weapons? These things have to all be worked out and in the end it might not be worth it.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:12 AM

34. They can't afford to be seen as too strong on this

The first questions people will ask is why massive police raids to arrest non-violent gun owners but not for rounding up violent criminals. It will go downhill from there, especially since it is absolutely guaranteed that the police will end up killing someone in the process.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 10:09 AM

35. all it will take would be one botched raid

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:47 AM

40. To prohis: "Oh! The prospect! Conflict, pain, punishment. Ummmm."

 

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 03:08 PM

45. They'll look even weaker when LEO's refuse to enforce the law

 

So what's your bright idea when both individual LEO's and town police departments refuse to enforce the law?

Damn sure not all of them will comply and given police unions, you won't be able to fire them either

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:11 AM

27. bad idea

Enforcing this would be a huge setback and give the repblicans a majority

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 02:05 AM

29. If they are willing to allow the people

 

to get rid of their guns after the dur date, why are they not willing to just register them? These gun owners are attempting to follow the law.

If my state required gun registration, I would follow the law with a frw guns and store the rest with people I know from another state. Of course gun rehistration would not pass in the Minnesota legislature. There would probably be more outrage from Democrats than from Republicans.

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 02:32 AM

30. Too bad the rest of the article is unavailable

without subscribing. Regular CT news doesn't mention much.

If true, this will put lie to so many assurances from the GC side e.g. no one is talking about confiscation, lists will not be used to round up guns and owners, you have nothing to fear if you register...

I must point out these dangerous felons that it was suggested face apparently imprisonment w/out trial or summary execution were actually trying to comply with the law but missed a paperwork deadline. I hate to see what is in store for the ones who didn't try to register...

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:35 AM

32. Registration will never lead to confiscation


    But my my what a difference an arbitrary few days makes in enforcing a gun registration law. And what a short step it would be to the bureaucrats making a minor change in interpreting the existing law so that previously 'legal' guns instantly transform into 'illegal' guns.

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Response to SkatmanRoth (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:49 AM

41. ...So says the Man behind the curtain. nt

 

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 08:02 AM

33. Just when I thought we couldn't get more regressive on human rights.

Hopefully everyone has relocated their firearms to safe quarters out of the reach of the regressives.


I will volunteer safe keeping for any firearm from my Northern oppressed brothers.

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Response to ileus (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:13 AM

37. Hear hear...

 

Let me know if your safe gets full.

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Response to FreeSpirit123 (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:59 AM

57. If it's time to bury your guns

then it's time to dig them up.

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:46 PM

43. So much for the myth of the

Constitution-abiding gun grabber.

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:00 PM

46. They overreached and it backfired

 

Watch this law either not be enforced or be repealed. What a stupid law.

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:15 PM

47. What do you suggest Connecticut do to those gun owners who do not comply? ...

Tens of thousands of Connecticut residents refuse to register guns under new law
Published time: February 12, 2014 21:52
Edited time: February 14, 2014 11:49


Tens of thousands of Connecticut residents could soon be considered felons by the state if they continue to ignore restrictive new gun control laws passed last year shortly after an armed rampage at an area elementary school left more than two dozen dead.

***snip***

If the state has received 50,000 registrations by now, Haar wrote, then that could represent as little as 15 percent of the assault weapons now classified by the state as warranting new paperwork under last April’s law.

“No one has anything close to definitive figures, but the most conservative estimates place the number of unregistered assault weapons well above 50,000, and perhaps as high as 350,000,” Harr wrote.

“And that means as of Jan. 1, Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of newly minted criminals — perhaps 100,000 people, almost certainly at least 20,000 — who have broken no other laws By owning unregistered guns defined as assault weapons, all of them are committing Class D felonies,” he added.
http://rt.com/usa/connecticut-gun-law-registration-791/


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Response to spin (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:16 PM

49. Answered in post 3

quick ride to jail, or cold dead hands, their choice

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:20 PM

50. So you would find room for 20,000 citizens in the prisons in Connecticut. ...

Plus you would devote an enormous amount of police time and work to the effort and tie up the court system for years in order to confiscate the firearms these previously honest citizens owned and send them to jail. You would not even be opposed to killing these gun owners according to your post.


Notarized confession + Google maps + squad cars = quick ride to jail, or cold dead hands, their choice

All those surplus MRAPs will finally come in handy.



An effort to do this would give the conservative press and Fox News an opportunity to paint the Democratic Party as the party of gun confiscation. They would be more than happy to point out that the police were being used to arrest gun owners who had committed no violence with their weapons while allowing the criminal element to rape and pillage at will.

All across the nation gun owners would be infuriated and good Democrats would be unfairly associated with the gun confiscation effort in Connecticut and would lose many seats at the local and national level.

The NRA currently has only five million members but 80 million people own firearms in our nation. Still it is considered to be extremely powerful. Any effort to confiscate firearms and jail owners in Connecticut could easily double or triple NRA membership. Many gun owners would be more than willing to contribute to the NRA-ILA. Imagine how powerful this organization would become if this happened.

It is also conceivable that some police officers would lose their lives and other police officers would oppose the effort as they would not be willing to risk their lives for little reason.

If that is your answer to my question, I fear that it is largely unworkable.

At the most the state should impose a stiff fine on anyone who refused to register their firearms until they chose to do so.

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Response to spin (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:13 AM

52. i was pointing out the OP's answer

I find this whole process to be very revealing of pro-GC intentions.

Sorry for any confusion if I made it seem I agree in any way with the OP or the proposed actions...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:21 AM

54. No problem. (n/t)

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Response to hack89 (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:14 AM

53. I was pointing out the OP's answer

I find this whole process to be very revealing of pro-GC intentions.

Sorry for any confusion if I made it seem I agree in any way with the OP or the proposed actions...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:08 AM

55. Sorry - wasn't paying attention. Nt

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 08:34 PM

48. just a few questions

- You're thinking those folks that sent the notarized letters are habitual criminals that would be expected to kill or threaten others with their guns? That would be the benefit to prosecuting them; preventing such violence. That's what the pro-control group often says.

- Where there's a will, there's a weapon. The Soviet Union battled capitalism for decades and lost; will Connecticut do better?

- Any chance there's a cop or politician or relative of either in that collection? How's that playing out?

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Response to mwrguy (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:32 AM

61. Look what got mailed out to CT gun owners

I guess they should have followed law.




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Response to mwrguy (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:41 AM

62. actually, the ones that got that notice

made a good faith effort to do so.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:20 AM

63. Correct.

actually, the ones that got that notice

made a good faith effort to do so.

Their applications were received after the deadline. Now they risk being punished for their attempt to comply. I dare say it's not a strategy that is going to encourage compliance. Post Office misplaced your application form? No gun for you.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:23 AM

64. And there goes any hope...

for any registration to pass or be complied with. All of the CG assurances are proven to be empty promises.

Are you excited for your first MRAP sighting?

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:42 PM

65. Actually it appears they would have been better off to ignore the law.

 

By trying to comply but doing so late all they have managed to do is give people like you the opportunity to fire up the MRAPS and make some cold dead hands.

Or am I miss-reading post #3?

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:16 PM

66. Did you bother to look at the date on the letter?

 

It is dated January 2, 2014 BEFORE any letter dropped in the mailbox on 12/31/2013 could have been delivered. There have been NO reliable reports of anyone actually receiving a letter yet.

Because the post offices closed at noon on 12/31/13, the State of CT is already considering a compromise to allow letters that were notarized prior to 1/1/14 or received by the post office by 1/2/2014 to be accepted.

http://articles.courant.com/2014-02-15/news/hc-guns-malloy-compromise-0215-20140214_1_post-office-applications-malloy

The state of CT may also consider legislation to extend the registration period according to the link above.

Massive non-compliance to the law, if the numbers are to be believed, means this has been nothing short of a political disaster for the Malloy administration and some state legislators.

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