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Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:25 AM

Poll Results, Jul2013: Do you support UN Arms Trade Treaty?

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Before you decide to vote, more info in a following post; links, opinions.
.. UN: Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists - they can all multiply their force through the use of unlawfully acquired firepower. The illicit circulation of small arms, light weapons and their ammunition destabilizes communities, and impacts security and development in all regions of the world.. a comprehensive, legally binding instrument establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms,

Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) multilateral treaty that regulates international trade in conventional weapons.. treaty negotiated at a global conference of the UN July 2012 in New York.. not possible to reach an agreement on a final text.. 2 Apr 2013, UN Gen Assembly adopted ATT - 154-3 vote with 23 abstentions. US voted for it .. NKorea, Iran, Syria voted opposition.. treaty has been signed by 79 states, but will not enter into force until it has been ratified by 50 states. As of 11 July 2013, 79 states signed the Treaty and 2 ratified it .. Treaty will enter into force 90 days after date of 50th ratification.. A majority of {US} Senate members against treaty, 2/3 majority needed to ratify.
UN: the treaty will not do any of the following: interfere with domestic arms commerce or the right to bear arms in Member States; ban the export of any type of weapon; harm States' legitimate right to self-defence; or undermine national arms regulation standards already in place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty

The most vocal groups opposing ATT {are from USA}.. National Rifle Assoc (NRA), Nat Shooting Sports Fdtn (NSSF), Heritage Fdtn. NRA and Gun Owners of America say treaty an attempt to circumvent {2ndA} and similar guarantees in state constitutions..
.. Advocates say that only pertains to international arms trade, and would have no effect on current {US} domestic laws.. resolution explicitly states“the exclusive right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through constitutional protections on private ownership."

21 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
More Fully Support UN Arms Trade Treaty
5 (24%)
Somewhat Support (support more than oppose)
0 (0%)
Ambivalent (balanced support & opposition) or Neutral
2 (10%)
Dunno, Dontcare, CCL, or No Opinion
0 (0%)
Somewhat Oppose (oppose more than support)
0 (0%)
More Fully Oppose UN Arms Trade Treaty
14 (67%)
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Reply Poll Results, Jul2013: Do you support UN Arms Trade Treaty? (Original post)
jimmy the one Jul 2013 OP
Deep13 Jul 2013 #1
gejohnston Jul 2013 #2
jimmy the one Jul 2013 #3
premium Jul 2013 #4
Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #5
ileus Jul 2013 #6
rdharma Jul 2013 #7
Ter Jul 2013 #8
rdharma Jul 2013 #9
AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #10
jimmy the one Jul 2013 #11
AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #12
jimmy the one Jul 2013 #13

Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:26 AM

1. Yes, it was one of the main reasons I wanted the Ds to keep the Senate. nt

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:28 AM

2. you also forgot

the Canadian National Firearms Association also oppose it.
The Heritage foundation opposes everything the UN does.

It is supported by the major military gun manufactures and their home countries.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:31 AM

3. More info on UN Arms Trade Treaty

Snopes is insightful, do check it out. Snopes also disallows copying & pasting:
Is the UN Arms Trade Treaty a 'legal way around the 2nd Amendment?'
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

fox, fwiw: The treaty covers battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, missiles and missile launchers, and small arms and light weapons. It prohibits states that ratify it from transferring conventional weapons if they violate arms embargoes or if they promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes. The treaty also prohibits the export of conventional arms if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals.. treaty requires countries to take measures to prevent the diversion of conventional weapons to the illicit market. This among the provisions gun-rights supporters in Congress are concerned about.
The treaty would require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers, but it will not explicitly control the domestic use of weapons in any country.
The chance of adoption {ratification} by the US is slim.. A majority of Senate members have come out against the treaty. A 2/3 majority needed in the Senate to ratify.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/03/lawmakers-urge-obama-to-reject-un-arms-treaty-as-it-opens-for-signature/

United Nations: Sources of small arms supplies to areas of crisis and conflict are varied. Domestically, small arms can enter illicit circulation through distribution, theft, leakage, divergence, pilferage or resale. Shipments of small arms to conflict zones from abroad are most often small-scale consignments - a steady trickle of weapons across porous borders. The cumulative destabilizing force of such small-scale trade is not to be underestimated, particularly in unstable regions where small arms are traded from one conflict to another.
Govts should ensure that small arms from Govt stocks or private ownership are not misused and do not enter illicit circuits, where their use may contribute to instability and to exacerbating poverty. To attain those goals, within the UN, countries have agreed on several commitments on small arms control..
Countries are giving separate attention to closely related issues, such as armed violence, child soldiers, the protection of civilians in armed conflict, ammunition, the arms trade treaty and the UN register of conventional arms.
Most present-day conflicts are fought mainly with small arms, which are broadly used in inter-State conflict. They are the weapons of choice in civil wars and for terrorism, organized crime and gang warfare.
http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:59 AM

4. I could care less,

 

as long as it doesn't infringe on the U.S. Constitution or the BoR.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:13 AM

5. Ambivalent. The U.N. is a crock of feel-good, do-nothing BS anyways. n/t

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:37 PM

6. UNable...

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:48 PM

7. I love that "show names" feature!

 

Shows who the RW tools are!

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:36 PM

8. Fuck the UN

 

They have zero right to put their nose into any US laws.

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Response to Ter (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 08:15 PM

9. Odd reply!

 

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:11 AM

10. I need to know more about the treaty to issue an informed opinion.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:32 PM

11. veiled bump

ath crusader: I need to know more about the treaty to issue an informed opinion

And what, you want me to spoon feed you?

(veiled bump, wanna run it till sunday, reason explained later).

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:18 AM

12. No. I haven't read it, and that's on me, not you.

My post was simply to show there is not JUST argle-bargle-hateithateit type reactions to it here in the gungeon.

I don't have opinions about legislation or treaties I have not read.

My gut impression: it is harmless to gun owners in the US, and the issue is being manipulated for secondary market purposes, given the amount of arms the US exports. But that's just a gut overview.

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Response to jimmy the one (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:30 AM

13. Results of Comparison Polling

I posted this UN Arms Trade Treaty poll on both GunControl/RKBA board, as well as Politics 2013. The results are somewhat surprising in their dichotomy:

Politics 2013 -- 13 votes over a week sunday to sunday, july2013:
12 More Fully Support
01 Somewhat Support

GC/RKBA board -- 35 votes, 1 pass, over a week bumping (2 wks now):
09 More Fully Support
01 Somewhat Support
04 Ambivalent
01 Somewhat Oppose
20 More Fully Oppose

Dem Political Posters 92% full + 8% somewhat = 100% support UN ArmsTradeTreaty.

GC/RKBA Posters 26% full + 3% somewhat = 29% support UN ATT.
57% Full + 3% somewhat = 60% oppose UN ATT
.............................. 11% ambivalent, support part oppose part.

.. imo this demonstrates a rightwing tendency on rkba bd, quelle surprise.
The Dem Politics bd is over represented obviously, but I doubt by much, maybe 90% support would evolve over time with a larger sample size, imo.
Even so, with such larger opposition, 60% opposed on more of a 'dem' gun board*, & only ~30% support, it demonstrates a disconnect between a majority of pro gun posters with their democrat constituents in essentially a non gun area, since ATT does not apply to american gun policy, outside of gun industry profits perhaps. Ambivalence depends moreso on what you disagree with.
If you think UNATT infringes on 2ndA rkba, I can only think paranoia.
But don't despair, rejoice. It's a non scientific poll.

*Hard to compensate for rightwing infiltrators like excopLS, remove him I should but wouldn't change it much, couple pts either way.




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