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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:45 PM

When I was a child I had measles.

Many of my generations had it. This was before vaccination and I don't remember it being so virulent and sometimes fatal.

What happened? Has the virus mutated? Has our immune system weakened?


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Reply When I was a child I had measles. (Original post)
question everything Apr 20 OP
50 Shades Of Blue Apr 20 #1
mr_lebowski Apr 20 #2
TexasTowelie Apr 20 #3
samnsara Apr 20 #4
elfin Apr 20 #5
SCantiGOP Apr 20 #19
rurallib Apr 20 #6
Wellstone ruled Apr 20 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 20 #7
IphengeniaBlumgarten Apr 20 #11
gopiscrap Apr 20 #8
defacto7 Apr 20 #9
Mme. Defarge Apr 20 #10
angstlessk Apr 20 #14
question everything Apr 20 #20
flotsam Apr 20 #13
angstlessk Apr 20 #15
kimbutgar Apr 20 #16
llmart Apr 20 #17
question everything Apr 20 #21
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 21 #22
Laffy Kat Apr 20 #18
dawg day Apr 21 #23

Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:48 PM

1. Measles killed an aunt of mine in 1935. She was 5.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:50 PM

2. ... my hands felt just like ... two balloons ....

now I've got that feeling once again ...

Lol sry ... got distracted ...

I think it's mostly dangerous to younger people w/weak immune systems or in places with poor sanitation, where everyone gets really sick easily.

Also like chicken pox I think it's much worse for older folks getting it the first time vs. children. Which is why people went out their way to make sure their kids got it AS KIDS ...

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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:04 PM

3. Measles outbreak kills more than 1,200 in Madagascar

AMBALAVAO, Madagascar ó Babies wail as a nurse tries to reassure mothers who have come to vaccinate their children against a measles outbreak that has killed more than 1,200 people in this island nation where many are desperately poor.

Madagascar faces its largest measles outbreak in history, with cases soaring well beyond 115,000, but resistance to vaccinating children is not the driving force behind the rise.

Measles cases are rising in the United States and elsewhere, in part because of misinformation that makes some parents balk at receiving a vaccine. New York City is trying to halt an outbreak by ordering mandatory vaccinations in one Brooklyn neighborhood.

In Madagascar, many parents want to protect their children but face immense challenges, including the lack of resources.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/madagascar-measles-epidemic-kills-more-than-1200-people/2019/04/14/5c2b41d4-5e96-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:04 PM

4. I had it too but only after i was a carrier for years...

...so my sibs had it at a younger age but i didnt get it til i was 14 and I had a few scars but nothing really awful. I am not vaccinated against smallpox either. It never took on me. My parents tried several times and the dr finally said I had a natural immunity. So i dont have that awful arm scar.

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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:05 PM

5. I remember being in a darkened room and in bed

Lots of attention. Can't even remember how old I was. Probably around 6.

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Response to elfin (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:54 PM

19. Yea, that is my memory - the dark room

I was told I was only 5 years old so my parents doubted that I remembered it when they told me how sick I was until I remembered my Dad taping the edges of the curtains to the wall because the light hurt my eyes so much. He said he had done that.
My Mom said my fever kept spiking to 105 or so and she was really worried.
It is a moral crime and should be an actual crime not to get children vaccinated.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:22 PM

6. I may be much older, but measles was a lesser worry when I was young

to polio.

But, yeah. I had the measles and it was taken quite seriously at the time. I remember being in a dark room for like 3 days.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:52 PM

12. This was a major threat to

many of us in the 1946-1950 time frame. Fortunately for us who lived in Barron County at that time frame. The County Nurse made sure that she or one of her able assistants visited every Household,no matter how far you lived off the beaten path. She never hesitated to slap the orange or red quarantined sign on the porch or on the Gate of a driveway. We lived a full mile in from the main road and still remember her coming to the door several times when we all had the measles. The major scare was the out break of Polio in our area. Our family had the chicken pox after the measles as well .

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:23 PM

7. Most of the time it's pretty mild but sometimes it can kill. That's always been true.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:49 PM

11. The mild form that you remember is likely three-day measles.

That does not make you seriously ill, but if pregnant women get it, it affects the fetus -- deafness and/or retardation. The regular measles is normally serious. I had it about age one (1940) and was not expected to pull through.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:30 PM

8. I had the measles when I was a baby it wasn't pretty

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:32 PM

9. Be sure to get the new shingles vaccine.

If you had natural measles or chickenpox as a kid you're much more susceptible to shingles as an adult. You DO NOT want shingles.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:42 PM

10. +1000

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:03 PM

14. My mother had shingles.

I had no idea it was related to childhood illness.

It was painful and I used to apply some sort of salve every night.

I do recall she had a mild case of polio (in that it did not paralyze her) and there was a threat that there could be new 'complications' to survivors.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:20 PM

20. Had them. Both. First the weaker one - Zostavax - some 8 years ago

and last fall, the new one - Shingrix, the two shots.


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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:55 PM

13. Almost never fatal in the US

Just saw an article today that an English stewardess on the UK US run contracted measles and is now in a coma with meningitis which is a well known adverse affect of measles...

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Response to flotsam (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:06 PM

15. 'Almost' never says some do die.

Like you mentioned..not dying FROM measles, but BECAUSE of measles!

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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:17 PM

16. I lost part of my hearing due to measeles at age 5

For many years I was monitored for hearing problems and eventually my hearing returned 100%.

But I remember the most lying in my Motherís bed with the tv on but she had covered it with a towel, it was tough just listening to cartoons. The doctor told her my vision could have also been affected. And I missed my kindergarten class picture!

I also had chicken pox, and mumps which I wish on nobody. I made sure my son had his vaccinations.

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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:30 PM

17. I had it all.

Three-day measles, German measles which I believe is what they called the more dangerous type and they lasted much longer, the mumps and chicken pox. I had six siblings, so all I can think of now is my poor mother!!! Each disease would run through the family. Luckily none of us had polio, but a classmate did.

I also remember being in a dark room with the shades drawn and the doctor giving me a neat pair of sunglasses to wear home. I got special attention from my mother who read "Brer Rabbit" to me while I lay in bed. I was the fifth of seven children, so any special attention from my mother was unusual.

When I had my two children, they got every vaccination available at the time, but the chicken pox vaccination wasn't out yet.

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Response to llmart (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:26 PM

21. Same here. Add to your list whopping cough and polio

and, I think, one of them came immediately after the other. I honestly don't remember them all. I think that I had them all before I was 5. When I had polio my sibling was removed to live with my aunt.

Years later, in my virology class in college, the instructor said that viruses need to take over cells to support them, and are searching for healthy ones. This was the reason, she added, why children infected in polio were usually strong and healthy. Duh..


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Response to llmart (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:22 AM

22. What we used to call German measles is more correctly called Rubella,

and is the R in the MMR shot. It's generally milder than regular measles. Most of us who grew up before the MMR shot got all of those diseases.

I have a hypothesis about why in recent years measles seems to be much more virulent. Back in the day when we all got those diseases, there was a certain amount of resistance passed along from mother to child. Not a full immunity by any means, but something that enabled our immune systems to deal better with the diseases. I'm not downplaying that they could still be fairly serious, and others in this thread have reported deaths or life long complications, but still.

Remember how devastating all the the White Men's diseases were to the native populations of this continent. They had never been exposed to any of them, and when they came up against what for the most part were relatively benign (for the white Europeans) childhood diseases, they, with absolutely zero resistance, got a lot sicker and a lot more of them died.

Now we have two generations in this country who for the most part haven't had these diseases because of the vaccinations. So that minor resistance that formerly was passed down from mother to child has disappeared, and so getting these diseases is much worse than it used to be.

I am NOT advocating not getting vaccinations and getting the diseases themselves. I am simply pointing out a possible explanation for why measles seems to be much worse these days.

Here's an interesting point about smallpox. It is likewise highly contagious with a relatively high mortality rate, and survivors were often scarred for life. Then, in the late 19th century, a vastly more benign version emerged, known as variola minor compared to variola major, the deadly version, which killed 30%, sometimes more of its victims. Variola minor, on the other hand, had a death rate of less than 1% and almost never caused scarring. It was in the process of displacing the more virulent variola major, and the reason that didn't happen, with smallpox becoming a relatively benign childhood disease like measles, mumps, and chicken pox, was that right around the time that happened, proper smallpox vaccinations became common, leading eventually to the eradication of smallpox from the disease pool.

Pox, An American History
by Michael Willrich details this entire part of the history of smallpox. Another fascinating book on smallpox is Pox Americana by Elizabeth A. Fenn, which details the smallpox epidemic in this country which exactly coincided with the Revolution. By 1776 Americans (meaning white Europeans) had been living on this continent for several generations, and smallpox had stopped being common, mainly because there weren't enough people to keep a reservoir of the disease alive. So when the British sent soldiers to quell the rebellion, some of them would arrive with smallpox, which would then sweep through the colonies like wildfire, killing far more Americans than British, because of a loss of a certain kind of immunity as I've suggested above. In any case, both books are utterly fascinating.

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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:41 PM

18. My older sister had it.

Although I barely remember it, I do recall how very sick she was. Her fever was so high she was hallucinating. They kept me as far from her as possible and I guess it worked because titers showed I was never exposed; I had to get immunized when I was 35-years-old.

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Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:30 AM

23. My older cousin was badly impaired

He got it at two, and never developed the ability to speak or read. Had a very high fever.
It has always been dangerous for 1percent or so who get it.

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