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Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:18 PM

Had to talk my son in law down regarding aliens

He asked me about the recent report by the former head of the Israeli Space program of the existence of aliens and our cooperation with them.

I gave him the Carl Sagan quote of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Not sure it did any good.




https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405

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Reply Had to talk my son in law down regarding aliens (Original post)
exboyfil Dec 2020 OP
MontanaMama Dec 2020 #1
Renew Deal Dec 2020 #2
exboyfil Dec 2020 #3
Ferrets are Cool Dec 2020 #4
exboyfil Dec 2020 #7
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #29
Renew Deal Dec 2020 #15
Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #5
exboyfil Dec 2020 #9
Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #10
Chiyo-chichi Jan 2021 #31
exboyfil Jan 2021 #32
Chiyo-chichi Jan 2021 #33
Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #6
exboyfil Dec 2020 #11
Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #13
ret5hd Dec 2020 #12
Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #20
AmyStrange Dec 2020 #8
StClone Dec 2020 #24
AmyStrange Dec 2020 #26
StClone Dec 2020 #28
AmyStrange Dec 2020 #14
SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #21
AmyStrange Dec 2020 #23
SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #16
exboyfil Dec 2020 #18
SCantiGOP Dec 2020 #22
mbusby Dec 2020 #17
AmyStrange Dec 2020 #19
ret5hd Dec 2020 #25
AmyStrange Dec 2020 #27
trueblue2007 Jan 2021 #30

Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:19 PM

1. My teenage son has been talking about this too.

I just listen and suggest different reading material.

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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:19 PM

2. Why would the existence of aliens disturb him?

Aliens are likely. I can only see someone being shaken by that if it would rattle their belief in religion. Otherwise, it is plainly logical that aliens exist.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:24 PM

3. Not disturb him but accepting the claims of an individual

based upon his prior position versus real, hard evidence.

Even if Neil deGrasse Tyson or Francis Collins for example claimed there were aliens, I would demand to see the evidence. I don't want him to be fooled by any charlatan coming along.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:36 PM

4. That of course, means you are an atheist right?

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:41 PM

7. I am a Christian because of my family

Faith and science are two non-overlapping and different magisteria as Stephen Jay Gould stated.

I study the Christian Bible and participate in Bible studies. I attempt to live out the spirit of what Jesus taught us as recorded in the scriptures.

That is about all I have to say about that.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 1, 2021, 09:43 AM

29. And all I have to say about that is

since NEITHER aliens or god is provable, one should have the same measure of skepticism. Have a great 2021.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:04 PM

15. Your advice about extraordinary evidence is good.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:36 PM

5. Ask US Air Force pilots off the record the stuff they have seen. nt

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:44 PM

9. That is the key - Off the record

Those videos that have recently surfaced are far from convincing. In fact there is a Youtuber out there who understands the instrumentation and duplicated some of the effects with standard military cameras.

I would love to be proved wrong though.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:47 PM

10. Some of the retired guys have gone on record.

Retired military are the ones who speak out for active duty.

I grew up with pilots and other flight crew members.
They talk a lot when they have a few beers in them.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 5, 2021, 09:49 PM

31. I'd be interested in checking out this YouTuber.

Do you have a channel name or a link?
I searched but had no luck finding it.

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Response to Chiyo-chichi (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 5, 2021, 09:52 PM

32. See the link



It was pretty convincing to me.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 5, 2021, 10:16 PM

33. Interesting. Thanks!

I subscribed to Mick West's channel. It looks like he has lots of videos that go into even greater detail on these.

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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:37 PM

6. If Trump is going to babble endlessly, why can't he blab something interesting? nt

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:50 PM

11. That might be one of the biggest indications of no broader conspiracy

because there is no way he would keep his mouth shut (unless he could make money from his silence).

Of course it can be like the President in Independence Day, only given the information when the aliens are on the front door and knocking.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:53 PM

13. If there were aliens, I would think CIA/Pentagon would keep it away from Trump? nt

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:52 PM

12. Are you suggesting that aliens are real and...

have super advanced technology similar to (but more advanced than) our own "auto-tune", but instead of making a singers voice in tune with a song, it would make a speakers (such as trumps) incoherent ramblings into something coherent and interesting???

I submit, kind Irish_Dem, that such a technology could NEVER exist! The computing power needed, even utilizing advanced quantum computers only speculated about in the most obscure sci-fi writings, would outstrip the available power in the entire universe!

And besides, the aliens are far more interested in the development of even more advanced anal probes. Everyone knows that. Pffft!

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:30 PM

20. Even aliens know GIGO. (garbage in, garbage out).

Right, any attempt to make Trump make sense would meet with failure.

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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:42 PM

8. Although I agree with Carl Sagan...

 

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I've been researching and investigating UFOs for a long time (40+ years) and the probabilities are really, really low that they are from other planets, but then again, science doesn't know everything.

If it did, all scientist would be out of work.

That said, it's interesting how UFOs seemed to grow in sophistication, almost mirroring our progress in air travel. From the airships of the 1890s, flying saucers of the 1950s, all the way up to the triangle ships of today.

It kind of gives credibility to the belief that most (if not all) of these sightings are not ET, but the result of foreign and domestic defense programs, or even private individuals. Look at the Wright Brothers.
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Response to AmyStrange (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

24. Terrestrial UFO Theory

And the most ardent and likely earliest proponent of the"Terrestrial Alien Theory" is the very smart and accomplished Jacques Vallée. His classic work "Passport to Magonia" is a must read and re-read introducing the fascinating connection of Folklore and modern Ufology. YouTube has recent talks he has given. Now in his 80's, he provides an astounding breath of knowledge on many topics with Ufology at its core. His genius is to follow tales of UFO reports track them down and spend all the time needed, even in the remotest parts of the world, to investigate. But his main goal is to interview the witnesses in visceral depth and detail. I admit to being a big devotee of Vallée.

But I have my own pet Theory on the side. The Universe is about 14 Billion years old. Investigations of evolution of The Universe indicate life could have evolved somewhere there in the first 5 billion years. Given that huge 10 billion year head start (life on Earth is 4 billion years old), it is my belief The Universe not only contains life, it is teeming with it. There are multitudes of highly, to super-highly, advanced cultures. WE are visited by many races, cultures, tribes whatever you want to call them.

There may likely be some sort of agreement among these entities on how to handle contact (with lower tribes, us). That would explain the incredible varieties of entities and vehicles seen. Since each group may have its own motivation for interaction with us there could be some animosity or conflict between these groups which could explain some oddities. Physicists today have some pretty deep discussions about this stuff (especially time travel) and can see some support in their research.

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hat said, it's interesting how UFOs seemed to grow in sophistication, almost mirroring our progress in air travel. From the airships of the 1890s, flying saucers of the 1950s, all the way up to the triangle ships of today.
The flip side of this is the vintage observer was describing an aerial anomaly with the language of the day.

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Response to StClone (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:14 PM

26. I have also read "Passport to Magonia"...

 

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and his investigations ARE incredibly detailed.

The flip side, language of the day, is also very true.

Your personal theory may prove to be correct, but because current science can't do the same thing (travel long distances through space in a practical amount of time), folks will say it's impossible.

Unfortunately, those folks keep forgetting that science doesn't know everything.

After all is said and done, I secretly hope you're right.
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Response to AmyStrange (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:33 PM

28. I really don't want to be correct.

I liked the old notion of us alone in a vast wonderful Universe. Contrary to beliefs of every age, we are not the Center of anything and often on the edge of everything.

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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:04 PM

14. That might not work, because...

 

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it didn't work for me.

The beginning of the end for me was when I found out that the government had lied about marijuana, and that made me doubt anything they or anyone in authority said from that day forward.

Carl Sagan is right, but the problem is that I've been researching and investigating UFOs for a long time (40+ years) and the probabilities ARE really, really low that they are from other planets, but then again, science doesn't know everything.

If it did, all scientist would be out of work.

If your son-in-law is interested enough, he will also do his own research and find that there are some things that can't be easily explained. I wonder what his reaction will be to what you said then.

That said, it's interesting how UFOs seemed to grow in sophistication, almost mirroring our progress in air travel. From the airships of the 1890s, flying saucers of the 1950s, all the way up to the triangle ships of today.

It kind of gives credibility to the belief that most of these sightings are not ET, but the result of foreign and domestic defense programs, or even private individuals. Look at the Wright Brothers.
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Response to AmyStrange (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:31 PM

21. Good analysis

Your concept of how the sophistication of UFOs paralleled our increasing technology also applies to science fiction.
Frankenstein’s monster was brought to life in the 19th century by a new, mysterious force that people didn’t understand called “electricity.”
A hundred years later, even low budget movies had to use radiation as the cause of unexplained phenomena.
Now, it is black holes and other aspects of deep space that are used to allow writers and thinkers to transcend the known world.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:42 PM

23. That's also true...

 

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sci fi and horror have been in step with our scientific discoveries, but you have to agree that sometimes sci-fi drives science, instead of the other way around.

Look how the sci-fi of Star Trek has guided where some of our research is headed.

The transporter, for example.
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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:09 PM

16. Unless Einstein is completely wrong

(and more of his theories are proven by experimental results as the years go by),
Then faster than light travel is impossible no matter how advanced a society is.
This means that we may be able to exchange messages with lag times of decades or centuries, but traveling to visit will be impossible.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:16 PM

18. I agree that Faster Than Light is most likely impossible

Still with sublight you could colonize the galaxy in under 100 million years which is a blink of an eye in even terrestrial geological time.

Of course by the time you are done there will be aliens if there wasn't before because humanity as a species will have split.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:33 PM

22. I don't disagree

But while “humans” might be able to reach other stars, it would take many generations, so no one “human” would be able to accomplish that.

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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:11 PM

17. Still trying to determine...

...why aliens travel multiple light years to shove probes up our... just don't get it.

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Response to mbusby (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:20 PM

19. Why not?

 

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We do stuff like that to the lower species all the time.

Although, I do wonder about the anal probing part.
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Response to AmyStrange (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:13 PM

25. Because it's fun!!!

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:15 PM

27. Heh heh heh...

 

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That's a good reason as any!
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Response to exboyfil (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2021, 12:00 AM

30. the ALIENS need to help us get rid of COVID 19

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