Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumHow Israel Reacted to a Racist Attack on a Jewish-Arab School
On Saturday night, Jerusalems Hand-in-Hand schoola bilingual Jewish-Arab institution designed to foster coexistence among Israels youthwas torched by vandals in a racist attack. Two first grade classrooms were damaged, and one was completely burned. The arsonists also set fire to piles of Hebrew and Arabic schoolbooks and spray painted phrases like there is no coexistence with cancer on the walls. Sadly, such attacks have become more common in Israel as racial and political tensions rise. (The very next day, a Tel Aviv synagogue was vandalized, apparently by leftist partisans.) But while the bigots in Jerusalem staged their attack under the cover of night, in the light of day Israelis from across the spectrum mobilized in solidarity with the school and its students.
Education Minister Shai Piron, himself an educator and former yeshiva head, condemned the attack as a violent, criminal and despicable incident. It was aimed, he said, at hurting and undermining Israels democratic foundations. The fact that it was an arson attack on an educational facility that advocates coexistence severely undermines the fabric of relations between Jews and Arabs. I urge the Israel Police to act immediately and bring to justice these despicable vile criminals. One Tel Aviv school responded by cancelling their regular curriculum and devoting the day instead to discussing the attack on the coexistence school. Several other Jerusalem schools, both religious and secular, organized visits to Hand-in-Hand. Jerusalems HaPoel Katamon professional soccer team even came to play with the schools first and second graders.
Jessica Montell, the former executive director of BTselem, one of Israels leading human rights NGOs, tweeted pictures of several of these shows of solidarity, along with credit to those who made them happen...
more:
http://tabletmag.com/scroll/187309/how-israel-reacted-to-a-racist-attack-on-a-jewish-arab-school
Israeli
(4,148 posts)by Eli Aminov
The visits by representatives of the Israeli government who arrived at the vandalised school were a clear display of the regime's hypocrisy; While they support the state of the Jewish race, they denounce those who implement the conclusions resulting from this.
Jewish gangs celebrated the 29th of November by torching and vandalising the bilingual school in Jerusalem, located between Katamon and Beit Safafa. Acts of sabotage and terror by Judeo-Nazi groups whcih dub themselves 'price tag' have become commonplace in the school, which supports equality between Jews and Arabs, a concept loathed by supporters of the nation state law. Price tag gangs are the storm troopers of those who support this racist legislation. These acts of terror have been conducted undisturbed for years and to date these wild gangs have carried out hundreds of attacks against Palestinians, both residents of the West Bank and citizens of Israel. These terrorists have harmed groves, set fire to mosques and homes, polluted churches and damaged hundreds of cars on both sides of the ceasefire line. It is most certainly possible that Palestinians killed during these years not by soldiers, found their deaths at the hands of these terrorists, although in cases resulting in death the attackers desisted from leaving an identifying mark.
These gangs do not act in a vacuum. They receive support from parts of the settler population and some of the authorities in security and law enforcement agencies who belong to this same population. With the rise in the frequency and number of attacks, we have heard demands to declare those conducting 'price tag' attacks as members of a terrorist organisation and to treat them accordingly. The government's legal advisor, supposedly responsible for preserving the rule of law, recommended that the racist right-wing government not do this. He accepted the prime minister's contention, which went something like this: their definition as a terrorist organisation will be a mistake liable to cause damage to the image of Israel in the international community, will increase its delegitimacy and encourage some in the world to compare between 'price tag' actions and acts of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad. This conception is a natural expression of the idea of the Jewish state which stands in complete contradiction to the idea of a secular, democratic state.
As a result of this position, a terrorist is considered to be such in Israel not as one you kills tens of worshippers in a mosque, but only one who kills Jews in a synagogue. It appears that in the state of the Jews, as determined by the state attorney who has now become a supreme court judge, a terrorist is a member of a body that wishes to harm only the state of the Jews. And so when Jewish Nazis torch a school which supports equality between Jews and Arabs, they are essentially the messengers of the government promoting the nation state law, which is constructed on the identitical methodology which stood behind the racist laws in Nazi Germany. They prove this with the graffiti they leave behind: against cancer and co-existence, against intermarriage and Arabs out. The visits by representatives of the Israeli government who arrived at the school were a clear display of the regime's hypocrisy; While they support the state of the Jewish race, they denounce those who implement the conclusions resulting from this.
Source : http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/special-reports/jerusalem/229-government-sponsored-price-tag
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Some people just can't help themselves. It's almost gleeful for them.
Who put Rabin in a SS uniform oberliner ?
Who called our kids Nazis and kapos during the disengagement from the gush ?
Who dressed little kids up in concentration gear with orange stars ????
You taught us well .....so dont whine about it when it bounces back at you .
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's bad when extremist antisemites on the left and the right in Europe and the USA do it.
And it's particularly bad when Right Wing Jewish extremists in Israel , who are more likely to be descended from Holocaust survivors/ victims, do it.
And now this.....
Israeli
(4,148 posts)And if its Amos Oz ?
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck .....?
Amos Oz calls perpetrators of hate crimes 'Hebrew neo-Nazis'
Writer and Israel Prize laureate says 'hilltop youth' and 'price tag' are whitewashed terms 'for a monster that should be called by its name.'
By Haaretz | May 10, 2014 |
The writer and Israel Prize laureate Amoz Oz said on Friday that those responsible for hate crimes against Arabs and Christians are "Hebrew neo-Nazis."
Speaking at a Tel Aviv event marking his 75th birthday, Oz said that terms like "hilltop youth" and "price tag" are "sweet names for a monster that needs to be called what it is: Hebrew neo-Nazis groups."
Oz added that in his mind, perhaps the only difference between neo-Nazis around the world and perpetrators of hate crimes in Israel is that "our neo-Nazi groups enjoy the support of numerous nationalist or even racist legislators, as well as rabbis who give them what is in my view pseudo-religious justification."
Source : http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.589849
King_David
(14,851 posts)Israeli
(4,148 posts)Is this news for you ?
Settlers seek arrest of Amos Oz over neo-Nazi comments
Lauded writer stands by statements comparing price tag attackers to European fascist movements, says Israels leaders cowed by settler rabbis
Source : http://www.timesofisrael.com/settlers-seek-arrest-of-amos-oz-over-neo-nazi-comments/
In his Friday talk, Oz alleged that such extremists have the backing of nationalist lawmakers, a theme he continued on Sunday in an Army Radio interview when he called the Likud a party of settlers extremists controlled by settler rabbis whose power in the ruling coalition is made possible by Yair Lapid and his Yesh Atid party, who betrayed his voters by enabling them to run the country.
The real power of the country is in the hands of settler rabbis, and for this one man is responsible. His name is Yair Lapid and he has the power to take down this regime whenever it suits him, Oz said in comments published by Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth Sunday.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Thanks
Israeli
(4,148 posts)....you are wellcome .
shira
(30,109 posts)As wrong as calling Palestinians or Muslims neo-nazis.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What the hell is that supposed to mean?
I have never once made any Nazi comparison of any kind.
shira
(30,109 posts)...to call Palestinians:
a) Palestinian Nazis?
b) Islamo Nazis?
IMO, anyone posting that here would have their post alerted on and removed by a 7-0 vote. Maybe tomb-stoned...
But Jewish Nazis are okay.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Israeli living in the U.S. suspected of posting faked pictures of President Rivlin, former Justice Minister Livni, former Finance Minister Lapid, and others, in SS uniforms.
By Ilan Lior
The police have identified an Israeli man who has been living in the United States for the past few years as the suspect in the publication of pictures of Israeli politicians in Nazi SS uniforms recently on Facebook.
The police's Lahav 443 unit , the national police unit tasked with fighting corruption and organized crime and often called Israel's FBI conducted the complex intelligence and technological investigation, even though the suspect tried to hide his tracks, said the Police Spokesman.
The police are in contact with American law enforcement authorities and the police will carry on the investigation of the suspect once he arrives in Israel.
Among those featured in the pictures were President Reuven Rivlin, former Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and and former Finance Minister Yair Lapid, as were Police Commissioner Yohanan Danino and former minister Michael Eitan.
The State Prosecutor's Office ordered the police to open the investigation into the posting of fabricated photos depicting the president, ministers and other public figures in Nazi uniforms.
The pictures appeared on a fictitious Facebook account under the name Natan Zoabi. The page, which has since been removed, featured the text: Anti-Semites who are opposed to a Jewish state in the Land of Israel (to the nation-state law)!
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.631346
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.629279.1417367683!/image/2151791400.gif_gen/derivatives/landscape_139/2151791400.gif
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Very strange response.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)....you are American and religious are you not ?
You never answered this :
" Who put Rabin in a SS uniform oberliner ?
Who called our kids Nazis and kapos during the disengagement from the gush ?
Who dressed little kids up in concentration gear with orange stars ????
You taught us well .....so dont whine about it when it bounces back at you ."
Why not ???
Riddle me this oberliner.......where did Kach originate ? ....who brought it to my country ?
Which nationality in the main do the religious settlers originate from ??
Nothing you've described has anything to do with me.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)...for us Kach is American born .
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As are a myriad of peace activists currently living in Israel.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)....and I have seen how he and those that think like him are treated on this forum oberliner.
Halper has written several books on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and is a frequent writer and speaker about Israeli politics, focusing mainly on nonviolent strategies to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He is a supporter of the BDS movement and the academic boycott of Israel, and considers Israel to be guilty of apartheid and of a deliberate campaign of Judaization of the Palestinian territories.
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Halper
Problem is that we have too many Kahanists and not enough Jeff Halpers from America .
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are no Kahanists here.
Lots of support for Halper.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)I was not referring to these forums oberliner ....I was referring to my country and to reality .
And this report is about as credible as those acts were.
Seriously, that link is retarded
Israeli
(4,148 posts)..everyone is entitled to their opinion ....especially such an expert as you on Israeli politics and history ..... cant tell the difference between Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin...
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Judeo-Nazi groups? The state of the "Jewish race?"
My mixing up begin and shamir's names won't make any of this stuff any less retarded.
As a result of this position, a terrorist is considered to be such in Israel not as one you kills tens of worshippers in a mosque, but only one who kills Jews in a synagogue
Is there an israeli killing tens of people in a mosque who Israel is refusing to acknowledge as a terrorist? Or is this just an insane hypothetical situation?
I mean, you bolded this next quote, as though it makes any kind of sense.
And so when Jewish Nazis torch a school which supports equality between Jews and Arabs, they are essentially the messengers of the government promoting the nation state law, which is constructed on the identitical methodology which stood behind the racist laws in Nazi Germany. They prove this with the graffiti they leave behind: against cancer and co-existence
The racist graffiti proves that the nation state law is "constructed on the identitical methodology which stood behind the racist laws in Nazi Germany?" What does that even mean? Can you break that down for me?
Israeli
(4,148 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)PM are best for those personally tiffs that have nothing to do with the rest of us.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Shaktimaan has a habit of avoiding issues ...kinda like Mosby that cannot answer a direct question
Ref : http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489333
Mosby
(16,299 posts)One, it was not germane to the discussion at hand and two, in the past I've made my positions clear regarding resolution of the conflict.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)about the shortcomings at that link.
shira
(30,109 posts)Israeli
(4,148 posts)The Petah Tikva Magistrate's Court cleared for publication on Sunday that officers arrested several suspects in connection to the torching of the Hebrew-Arab bilingual school in Jerusalem.
Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4600720,00.html
Media gag order lifted ..........
Several suspects were arrested in the suspected arson attack on a joint Arab-Jewish school in Jerusalem.
The suspects were arrested a week ago, shortly after a fire was set in the classroom of the Max Rayne Hand In Hand Jerusalem School.
On Sunday, the Petach Tikvah Magistrates Court lifted a media gag order on the arrests.
A gag order remains in place on the exact number of suspects being held and details of the investigation.
A preliminary police investigation found that the blaze was set intentionally.
Death to Arabs and There is no coexistence with cancer were among the anti-Arab epithets spray-painted on the school walls.
The court on Sunday extended the remand of the suspects until Thursday, and allowed the police and Shin Bet security service to continue to prevent the suspects from meeting with their lawyers, Haaretz reported.
The Hand In Hand Jerusalem School is Israels largest joint Arab-Jewish school and the only such primary and high school in the city. Five Hand in Hand schools are located throughout the country.
Source: http://forward.com/articles/210503/suspects-arrested-in-torching-of-joint-arab-jewish/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Throw the book at them.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)The mother of one of the suspects in an arson attack on a Jewish-Arab school in Jerusalem last week declared Monday that she would have set the school alight as well, were it not for the law, and that Jews and Arabs should not be studying in mixed classes.
While she shook off accusations of harassment of Arabs, the suspect's mother expressed revulsion at the fact that Jews and Arabs were studying together in the same school. The school was vandalized with graffiti reading "Death to Arabs", "No coexistence with cancer" and "Kahane was right"; books were also piled into the middle of a classroom and set on fire.
Its disgusting that Jews and Arabs learn side by side, she told Ynet. If we didnt have a country governed by law, I would have done the same, she said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4600969,00.html
Pot meets kettle KD ....
"Oho!" said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."
"Not so! not so!" kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean without blemish or blot
That your blackness is mirrored in me."
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Itay Blumenthal
Published: 12.11.14, 15:04 / Israel News
The Shin Bet and police arrested three radical rightwing activists for their role in a suspected hate-crime attack on a Jerusalem school in which both Jews and Arabs study, it was cleared for publication Thursday.
The detainees are suspected of arson and spraying anti-Arab graffiti in the Jerusalem Bi-lingual School and have been held since December 6th. The group is part of the Lehava organization whose main goal is to prevent inter-faith marriages between Jews and either Muslim or Christian Arabs.
In their investigation the three Yitzah Gabay and the brothers Nahman and Shlomo Twitto admitted to the allegations .
Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4602493,00.html
King_David
(14,851 posts)Hate filled terrorists.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Hundreds of people protested in West Jerusalems Zion Square Saturday night against racism and called to outlaw Lehava, a racist, anti-misegenation group . Three of its members were charged several days ago with an arson attack against a mixed Jewish-Arab school two weeks ago.
The protest was organized by a group of activists who identify as: Jerusalem doesnt stay silent in the face of racism. Protesters held signs in Hebrew and Arabic that read Stop the racism and Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies. They called out chants like Lehavas racism begins in the government and Jerusalem will not be silent; outlaw racism.
Among the speakers at the protest was Murad Mana, whose child attends the bilingual Arab-Jewish school in the city which was burned exactly two weeks ago. He said, We will not allow bully burn down our coexistence.
+972 blogger Orly Noy, whose children also attend the bilingual school, also spoke at the rally. This type of violence does not take place in a vacuum, Noy told the crowd and wrote in a post later Saturday night (Hebrew). It sprouts from a bed of growing deligitimization of the Palestinian population in Jerusalem, both inside Israel and in the occupied territories.
Three Israelis arrested for the arson attack on the mixed Arab-Jewish school in Jerusalem two weeks ago are active members of Lehava, Israels Channel 2 reported Thursday, after a Shin Bet gag order was lifted on the case.
One of the suspects is from Jerusalem and the other two are brothers from the West Bank settlement Beitar Illit. The three reportedly admitted in their interrogation by the Shin Bet that they carried out the attack because they object to Arab-Jewish coexistence and that they hoped their act of arson would raise public awareness against the phenomenon.
In addition to the burning of a first grade classroom and its books, graffiti found on the school included: death to Arabs, coexistence is a cancer, no to assimilation and Kahane was right.
All these messages are explicitly identified with Lehava, whose leader, Benzi Gupstein, is a disciple of the late Meir Kahane. Kahanes Kach party was disqualified from participating in Israeli elections in 1988 for inciting to racism, and was banned outright in 1994. Kach is considered a terrorist organization by the United States.
Read also: Facing right-wing violence, Israeli leftists learn to fight back
Since the summer, groups of Lehava activists have become a regular staple in downtown Jerusalem, where they go around making racist remarks against Palestinian pedestrians and taxi drivers, sometimes physically attacking them. And although the group claims to be strictly committed to advocating against Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in Israel, its activities are rife with incitement to violence and racism. Just last month they urged Israeli soldiers to shoot Palestinians in the head.
This is not the first time Lehava has been directly tied to acts of violence. In September, two Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Amir Shwiki and Samer Mahfouz, were beaten badly by a group of Jewish Israelis, several of them identified as activists with Lehava.
Source: http://972mag.com/hundreds-rally-against-racist-group-lehava-in-jerusalem/99947/
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Police conducted an early-morning raid on the residences of several operatives in Lehava, a right-wing extra-parliamentary organization, and arrested, among others, the group's chairman Benzi Gopstein.
Last Thursday, the Shin Bet said that the three suspects arrested for an arson attack at a Hebrew-Arabic bilingual school in Jerusalem are members of the group. On Monday, charges were served against them.
Lehava, an anti-Arab group, attempts to combat Jewish assimilation. According to the Shin Bet, the three suspects confessed their actions during questioning.
The Shin bet said that Lehava activists are "instilled with Kahane's legacy, and in that spirit they sprayed statements like 'Kahane was right' and 'there is no coexistence with cancer' within the school, statements taken right out of Kahane's teachings."
The Shin Bet called the act "the latest in a series of violent incidents involving Kahanist activists from Lehava."
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.632061.1418704387!/image/215896727.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/215896727.JPG
Bentzi Gopstein (R) and other right-wing activists attempt to enter Temple Mount, October 30, 2014 Photo by Olivier Fitoussi
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.632060
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Glad the Israeli police have made arrests in this case.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Judea and Samaria District Police raided Tuesday morning the houses of ten operatives in the anti-assimilation, anti-coexistence "Lehava" organization, including the residence of organization chairman, Bentzi Gopstein.
The ten were arrested on suspicion of incitement and calls to commit racist violence and terrorism.
Police described the investigation as elaborate, whose covert phase ended with the arrests. In addition to Gopstein, a resident of Kiryat Arba, operatives were arrested across Israel, including in the cities of Petah Tikva, Netivot, and Jerusalem.
The ten suspects were to be brought Tuesday morning to Jerusalem's Magistrate Court for a hearing on extending their remand.
Gopstein's lawyer, Itamar Ben Gvir, claimed that extensive damage was done to his client's home during the police search. Ben Gvir further claimed that the arrest was politically motivated. "The politicians from the left applied pressure for the police to act against Lehava, even though it's clear to them that this is a law-abiding organization openly acting against assimilation," he said. "This is a disgrace.".....
Monday's indictment accused Yitzhak Gabai of Jerusalem and brothers 20-year-old Shlomo and 18-year-old Nahman Twito, both of the ultra-orthodox West Bank settlement Beitar Ilit, of setting fire to the school late last month and writing racist slogans on its walls. Gabai was additionally charged with driving without a license and possession of a knife.
The indictment said the three decided to set fire and spray slogans on the school's walls after they discovered that a ceremony in memory of Yasser Arafat was held in the school several weeks earlier an allegation denied by the school principal.
Hundreds of protestors gathered Saturday evening in Jerusalem, calling to outlaw the organization.
Source : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4604064,00.html
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This group should be outlawed like those others were.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)The darkness has emerged into the light, the margins have become the center and ultranationalism has become politically correct. This is the Israel that Benjamin Netanyahu has fashioned.
By Gideon Levy | Dec. 5, 2014
Benjamin Netanyahu will be remembered as one of Israels most important prime ministers, second only to David Ben-Gurion not just in the length of his time in office but also in the mark he made. Ben-Gurion was the founding father of the first Israeli kingdom, of the dream. Netanyahu is the founding father of the second kingdom, of the dreams shattering.
Netanyahu is the shaper of contemporary Israel. It is a great injustice to compare him to one of his predecessors, Yitzhak Shamir a featureless man whose creed was inaction. Netanyahu did a great deal; he influenced and he decided, he shaped and determined.
It is also unjust to view him as a cynical politician. He was one of Israels most ideological prime ministers ever, who could turn his extremist doctrine into the zeitgeist of the entire state.
Even when he hid his beliefs, he did so in order to advance them. Netanyahu never believed in peace with the Arabs and he removed peace from Israels agenda. He never believed in the rights of the Palestinian people and he destroyed the two-state solution. He genuinely believed that Jews are the chosen people and he brought Israel closer to a future apartheid state modeled on his beliefs, including in its constitutional aspects.
Can one imagine a more sweeping success? Can one think of anyone who did more to advance his own worldview?
One of his predecessors made peace, another made war, but none of them was as influential as he. Pre-Netanyahu and post-Netanyahu Israel are two different states. The historians son made history, he can go out on top: He has guaranteed that he wont be a mere footnote. History will remember everything about him.
Once upon a time there was an Israel. An Israel that spoke about peace and believed in it, even if it did almost nothing to achieve it; an Israel that was democratic, at least for Jews; an Israel that respected the other countries of the world and took them into account; that knew its size, the limits of its power and the boundaries of its influence.
Once there was an Israel that subdued its racism and was ashamed of it; that did not alternate only between rivers of hate and waves of intimidation. Where Arabs were not only suspicious objects and where war refugees were not only infiltrators. Where Judaism was not only for ultranationalists and the flag was not waved only by the settlers. Once there was hope, but it disappeared; someone severed it.
Netanyahu shaped a different Israel, in his own image. He was the prime minister of fear and hate.
Try to think of one positive mark he left, one significant way in which Israel is better after him than it was before him. Now think what a long road the state has traveled from Menachem Begins first resolution as premier, to take in a handful of Vietnamese boat people, to the last resolution of Netanyahu, Begins successor in Likud and in office, to enact a third version of the diabolical anti-infiltration bill. Think of the long road from banning Meir Kahanes Kach party from the Knesset, including by Likud MKs, to the competition today among Likud MKs to introduce the most racist bills.
The darkness has emerged into the light, the margins have become the center and ultranationalism has become politically correct. Kahane lives: From his place in heaven, he can look with pride and satisfaction at the state Netanyahu has fashioned. From Kahanes perspective, the state is surely on the right track, galloping toward the implementation of his doctrine.
This is not nostalgia for a past that never existed, nor is it an overly gloomy picture of the present and the future. Israel has changed. Its a different place in which to live. It is more arrogant, more destructive, more aggressive and less democratic toward minorities, both national and ideological; toward the neighborhood in which it lives and toward the world as a whole. It is more hated, and rightly so. It is a worse place.
Netanyahu is not prophesying Israels destruction, but he has done more than a little to bring that destruction closer.
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.629879
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He has a very particular way of viewing the world in general and Israel in particular.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)....like yourself ?
or American Jews in general ?
...yes he does oberliner.....so do I .
It comes from a lifetime of living here .