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Related: About this forumNeo-Nazis, Islamists declare 'You Jews are beasts' during protest of Israeli operation
A demonstration in Frankfurt against Operation Protective Edge erupted into violence, with protesters tossing stones at the police.
According to the Frankfurter Rundschau paper, about 2,500 protesters appeared in downtown Frankfurt, screaming God is great, and slogans such as freedom for Palestine and children-murderer Israel.
Eight police officers were injured. One sign at the rally was titled, You Jews are Beasts.
German media reported that after the protests, groups sought to locate Jewish institutions. The Frankfurt police said Jewish institutions would be protected. It is unclear if the goal was to attack said institutions.
According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest. Banners compared Prime Minister Netanyahu with Adolf Hitler.
http://www.jpost.com/International/Neo-Nazis-Islamists-chant-You-Jews-are-beasts-during-protest-of-Israeli-operation-362742
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)yes indeed he is
http://warisacrime.org/content/cnn-palestinians-want-die
shira
(30,109 posts)The Palestinian propagandist denied it and covered for Hamas.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)no propaganda about that
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)he also lies about about what is said in a Hamas video which which you provided for us
he states that people were instructed to stay in their homes they were not people voluntarily went out on their rooftops
thread containing information about the video
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113466980
cali
(114,904 posts)what happened in Frankfurt any more palatable or acceptable to anyone with an ounce of sense.
Response to azurnoir (Reply #8)
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu invoked the Holocaust in an impassioned call Thursday for Iran to curtail its efforts to develop nuclear weapons.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-calls-world-block-iran-nuclear-ambitions-article-1.1169651#ixzz37UQUvsYC
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Yesterday, you responded to Jew hatred (an elderly Jewish man beat up) w/ a post warning Israel to change its policies.
Now, another deflection from one of the worst forms of anti-Jew hate speech.
I detect a pattern.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)That will save you a lot of time with your shot at misrepresenting it.
You can save the you're welcome, Jefferson23.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113468222
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)But keep digging in if you must.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Not on your life.
cali
(114,904 posts)you'd be screeching.
It always gets to me that the most, er, passionate among you here in IP on either side are so very much alike in tactics and blindness.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Your strained attempt to place yourself as the ever even handed superior poster is a schtick I find disingenuous
at best.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)My first impulse was to post a facepalm graphic, but I can't think of one that's adequate for the task, not even the triple-Picard "reality starts acting up" one.
You really outdid yourself this time. The sad thing is I'm sure you have no idea how you're making yourself look.
There's much more that could be said, but I'd better stop while I'm still reasonably civil.
Just fucking wow.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)himself with any disgusting political means he can...you want to ignore that, go ahead and be my guest.
WOW is right, Fozzeldick.
Have any more absurd indignation, let me know.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Among the civilized world is inexcusable.
There is never an excuse or justification ever .
This is what Kurska was telling you yesterday .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113468222
Unbelievable that this lesson needs be taught on DU of all places.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)is childish.
On edit: What is repugnant, is that you cannot fathom that any person who has watched
the death of over a hundred Palestinians, and maiming of close to 1000 and not understand
the reason why he attacked an innocent man who had no responsibility for Israel.
That is blow back to Israeli policy...it is a reality. The man who attacked the Rabbi
was a Muslim, a publication reported. His anger does not give him the right to commit
any crime, but do not ignore the unintended consequences of the occupation....
Correlation is not justification as I said many times..that is lost on you. Look up the words.
Funny how the Rabbi understood but not you.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Go re- read kurskas lesson.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)the correlation in the OP. The fact that you can't prove the man who attacked the Rabbi was not
honest as to why he took his anger out on an innocent man. You insisted that reason was an
excuse but offered NO evidence.
I am not responsible for your inability to understand the difference between correlation and
justification..they are not the same. Repeated many times, I feel sorry for you, truly.
I suggest you concentrate on your own behavior, it is you and your tag team that look for support
for each other in your little games here.
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's almost all dug up .
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Just hate toward Jews .
Golah Jews not even Israeli Jews.
Same hate toward Jews for a couple of centuries now, nothing new , just as viscous and violent as always.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)belong to them.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Should carry signs around : "I do not support Israel " ?
That will protect them from these Nazis and Hamas supporters.?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)That's why there was a sarcasm thingy and not a 'LOL' or' '
But I changed them to questions so there's no mistaking it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Finding "correlations" between violent hate crimes on a minority people in a different country and the actions of Israel a different country .
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)But please - keep digging. You might just make it to China.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And why are you linking to the likes of Kurska, whose every post on DU drips with hatred? I mean if he's not hating on blacks - either by trying to silence criticism of the term "reverse racism" or claiming his being gay means blacks have it easy or of course carrying water for the murderer of a black child (even using that kid's school record as justification for the murder), then he's shitting on women.
Why do you defend and support Chloe Valdary, who beleives gay people are sick and perverted and need to be "cured"? Who believes that jews killed Jesus and so all their tribulations are deserved (even as she lauds Israel because of all the Muslim infidels it kills)?
"There is never an excuse or justification ever"? Yeah right.
King_David
(14,851 posts)The rest of your post as usual is personal attacks on 2 members of DU .
And you keep mentioning and pointing out who is and is not Gay .
I don't even have to ask you why you do that but I will remind you that your not insulting us with this information.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And no, pointing out a person's disgusting attacks against blacks and women is not a "personal attack," it's simply a matter of record. And if you click the links - I know you didn't, 'cause you're too chicken to look at what you advocate - you'd see that he makes his orientation central to why he feels he has the right to tell blacks and women to shut the fuck up.
So when you say "There is never an excuse or justification ever?" While constantly being a prattling cornucopia of such excuses and constant justifications? While citing people who constantly do the same?
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I challenge you to find a single time where I have ever said that women or blacks shouldn't have a voice in our society. Go ahead, I'm waiting.
Find a direct quote. Go ahead.
You got that I think "blacks have it easy" from
"When in reality we're all human beings with unique life stories and journeys that deserve to be considered holistically. You don't know a damn thing about someone based exclusively on their race and I wish people would stop acting like they do. Even based on what I've told you today about being Jewish or being gay, frankly I don't think you know a thing more about me than when you started reading this thread. "
Funny thing is. I didn't even reference black people once in that post. What I was talking about is I wish we could view people as actual individuals and not prejudge them back on their skin color. Apparently that means I think blacks have it easy.
And that I think women should just shut up from.
"Thus, it is my contention that both genders are indeed harmed by the corrosive and overwhelming expectations that our very flawed society puts on men and women. I think it is important to keep in mind that when we discuss gender issues that men are not just the oppressor and women are not just the victim. Both men and women sometimes feel overwhelmed and unable to cope with what our society expects from them just because they have two X's or a Y chromosome. When we discuss issues related to harmful gender roles and gender based behavior, it would be best if this was a two way discussion. I want very much to hear about what in our society makes women uncomfortable to be women, because I want very badly to fix those situations. I also would like for when such issues come up, for my voice as a man to be heard and valued. I've already typed rather alot, but as a gay man sometimes I feel that such negative behavior toward females is expected. When I was growing up, I sometimes had to put on a brave face and make sexual comments about females to my friends. I was forced in many ways to look along with the group at attractive females and I'm not proud to say that sometimes I felt I needed to engage in the kind of leering/cat calling behavior that is so destructive to females, just so I wouldn't face social isolation as a result "Why aren't you checking her out, you queer or something?". I believe that most men are good people who wouldn't engage in negative behaviors toward females if in many ways they were not forcibly programmed to by society. Women get the worse end by far, but men too are damaged by these kinds of expectations. "
An advocation for an open and honest dialog for gender expectations.
I'm proud of what I post and anyone who actually bothers to read them would see your characterizations of them are laughably incorrect.
Response to Kurska (Reply #59)
Kurska This message was self-deleted by its author.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)And as I have said many times Valdary is a disgraceful homophobic piece of garbage .
I know you want me to support this homophobic bigot , but you saying that I do, constantly ,is a lie and a personal attack and you deserve your time out from DU .
And please stop with the pointing out to us that we are Gay , it's getting tiresome insulting and unbecoming of someone who is a member of DU.
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #44)
Kurska This message was self-deleted by its author.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)They are also aligned with the JDL in the UK, whose logo is someone fistfucking the Star of David - which if you ask me is a pretty accurate representation of that group.
King_David
(14,851 posts)The Jewish symbol of pride and self identity.
He never mentioned an Israeli flag at all.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)If maligning the truth has to be you shtick then oh well...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)same things to Arabs, your voice was curiously absent from the condemnations.
Why is that?
Oh, wait, you're a Bibi fan.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Who are they fans of ?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)But I can see you have your agenda.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I can see you disagree.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)But I can see you don't care about the truth.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Such that Democrats (outside of heavily African-American districts) are afraid to even express sympathy for Palestinian suffering lest the Israel cheerleaders take them to task.
In 2007, Obama got blasted for saying this:
The AIPAC crowd found Obama's recognition of Palestinians' humanity and suffering "deeply troubling."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0307/Obamas_Jewish_Problem.html
As an Iowan, democratic precinct caucus attendee, and leader in Iowas Jewish community, I am greatly concerned about the situation in the Mideast and your views on this matter.
I find your statement in yesterday's Des Moines Register that "nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people, deeply troubling. I would greatly appreciate a response clarifying your statements.
The Palestinian people democratically elected their leadership, part in which, Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. It fails to recognize the right of Israel to exist and encourages terrorist attacks against innocent Israeli Jews, Christians and Arabs.
Again, I respectfully ask for clarification on what you believe needs to be done to bring peace to this region of the world.
The fucking truth is that a lot of 'Democrats' find it 'deeply disturbing' for a public official to show compassion to the wrong racial group.
So, the truth is that outright bigotry towards Palestinians (even moreso than against Arabs as a whole) is a big factor in American politics, and that there are people who call themselves Democrats who simply do not care about dead children if those children committed the crime of being born Palestinian.
And we have more than one of that type of 'Democrat' right here at DU.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)What are you doing here if you hate Democrats that much?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the fact that expressing compassion for Palestinians is considered a possibly career-ending 'mistake' amongst Democrats pretty much says everything.
I live in New York, and while our elected representatives are all great on health care, spending, Medicare etc, only the black ones say anything indicating they view the Palestinians as human. You won't hear a prominent white NYC politician EVER talk about the Palestinians as though they were human beings who experience the full range of human emotions and whose suffering deserves to be considered.
Christian, Jew, other, doesn't really matter, none of them give a fuck about dead Palestinian kids. Or, if they do, they keep this compassion a secret.
Hell, they won't even be seen in public with anyone from J-Street.
That's the reality of the Democratic party, and it's one of the big stains on it.
King_David
(14,851 posts)The people vote the candidates in when they agree with their views.
The democratic representatives I vote for and I elect have the same views and support for Israel ,Zionism and Jewish ,Gay and Economic , Health Care and Social Policy ,causes that I support . I have no problems supporting them with my time and vote.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)
I fully recognize that your position, and mine, regarding whether Democrats should treat Palestinian human rights as a legitimate concern, differ widely on this point and that yours is the dominant one amongst our elected officials.
My main criteria in foreign policy is who will look out for the interests of the United States .
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Your thread title is almost laughable in its transparency. You join Neo-Nazi and Islamists at the hip right off the bat. Then you throw in the "Jews are beasts" tidbit.
Of course the story says ONE sign had that phrase. ONE SIGN. So how did everyone at the protest declare "Jews are beasts"?
You should be ashamed, but of course you Likudnik apologists have no shame.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)You really should try to pay attention better. You might learn something.
azurnoir
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