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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:20 AM

Jesus Was a Jew, Not a Palestinian

Until fairly recently, the understanding that Jesus was a Jew was generally unchallenged. In recent years, however, a new generation of anti-Israel activists and academics are now trying to claim that actually Jesus wasn’t just a Jew, but a Palestinian.

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One of the conceptions challenged in recent years is the almost universal depiction of Jesus as white. Given that Jesus is described as living in the Holy Land, this would make him a native of the Middle East. In other words, there’s every reason to be concerned that depictions of Jesus as fair-skinned are inaccurate.

If only things ended there. A radical core of activists now seem bent on co-opting “brown” identity and excluding Jews, thus denying the historical truth that Jesus was in fact Jewish.

https://honestreporting.com/jesus-was-jew-not-palestinian/

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:23 AM

1. ...

All this kind of thing does is propagate more animosity--on both sides.

Frankly, it would help the goal of peace in the region if the tenets of Christianity might be discussed a bit more and the racial/ethnic makeup of Jesus less so. (and this from a non-religious perspective)

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:01 PM

4. I'm not really sure what discussing the tenets of Christianity would accomplish

There are numerous sects, many of which have nothing to do with the conflict. Christians face persecution across the middle east and even if we refer only to Israel, its not a Christian nation.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:06 PM

6. way to totally miss the point, which was far more secular in nature.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:08 PM

9. Okay so you bring up discussing the tenets of christianity but I am missing the secular point?

Okay then.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:13 PM

10. thus word "tenets" not any specific passage, which are not inconsistent with philosophy of Gandhi

and others historically. Most are simply parables after all. If one has ever taken a philosophy course or studied comparative religion, there is very little unique in these tenets and are consistent across many religions and beliefs including those of secular humanists.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:34 AM

2. The Stranger

This reminds me of the movie with Orson Welles. A former Nazi in hiding revealed himself by saying Marx wasn't a German, he was a Jew.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

3. Palestine is a geographic area, not a people. Jesus was a Jew from Palestine.

Palestine is home to the Jews, the Samaritans, the Philistines, the Canaanites...



How did this whole mess with Jews and Palestinians start?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora#Roman_destruction_of_Judea
The Jews, the remains of the kingdom of Israel, launched failed rebellions against the Roman Empire in the 1st and 2nd century CE. The retaliation by the Roman Empire against jewish populations caused the jewish people to leave their homeland and to spread out over the Middle-East and Europe.

So, with the Jews out, non-Jews moved in and made the area their home.

That's why both the muslims Palestinians and the Jews consider Palestine (the geographic area of the former kingdom of Israel) THEIR own homeland.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:02 PM

5. Expertly stated.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 04:34 PM

8. Ooh ... That means that Netanyahu

is just as Palestinian as Haniyeh and Abbas.

The problem isn't the use of the word to indicate geographic origin, the problem is that it's bifurcated--a problem attaching to a lot of words these days.

"Palestinian" is a geographical term; on the other hand, it's also an ethnic term. The two overlap but aren't coterminous.

The rhetoric rests on trying to get people to believe in something that is actually a fallacy.

It's like when there was some attacker in France: He was "French." Of course, he was born in Algeria, spoke primarily Arabic, was Muslim, lived among Muslims, identified mostly as Algerian-Arab, but his citizenship, his passport, said "French." While true, the reason for phrasing it that way was entirely to make people think, "Ah, he's French and not Arab." In other words, to manipulate and deceive.

"French" is also an ethnonym, and that particular attacker may have been French but he was not French.

Russian has a handy way of distinguishing this (clearly so until Putin came along and pissed in the well of lexical unambiguity): rossiiskii and russkii. If you're ethnically Russian, you're russkii. If you're Tatar or Yukaghir and born in Russia, you're a rossiiskii citizen. (The well-pissing was Putin's saying that if you have Russian culture then you're Russian, and the primary attribute of Russian culture is speaking Russian. So the ethnonym's now, in some sense, little different in kind than francophone or anglophone, but I don't think "russophone" sounds euphonious.)

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:18 PM

7. Jesus was from Judea not Palestine

The Romans came up with the name Palestine a couple hundred years later.



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Response to Mosby (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:04 AM

16. Yes, but,

The name Palestine was derived from the name Philistine, no?

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Response to mapol (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:42 PM

17. Yeah, and the philistines were a non semitic group fro the med area

The Roman's came up with the name just to piss people off.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:43 AM

18. It wasn't called Palestine

at that time. It was called Judea. So he was a Jew from Judea.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:34 PM

11. Jesus may not have existed as presented.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:16 AM

12. Considering that

The Romans have no record of him living, being executed during the time he was supposed to have lived it is highly likely that he did not exist as presented. The Romans kept very strict records, it is why we know so much about them and their empire.
Additionally Pontus Pilate (Who we know was an actual person from Roman records) would have had no problem in putting a 'rabble rouser' like Jesus to death by crucifixtion. He would not have asked the Jewish crowd who should live or die.
Pontus was extremely blood thirsty. So much so that he was recalled from being governor of Judea because the Roman emperor thought that his blood thirst would cause the Jews to rise up in rebellion.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 01:21 PM

13. While it's true that Jesus was a Jew, rather than a Palestinian,

he did go off and start Christianity. I'll also add that roughly 45% of the Palestinians who reside in the West Bank are Christians.

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Response to mapol (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 02:34 PM

14. Actually, he didn't, his disciples and the Romans did.

And only 1 to 2 percent of "west bank" Palestinians are xtians.


They are not treated very well since they're dhimmis:

THE BELEAGUERED CHRISTIANS OF
THE PALESTINIAN-CONTROLLED AREAS

https://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp490.htm


ETA the US has the largest population of Arab Christians in the world (Copts from Egypt, Chaldeans from Iraq, Maronites from Lebanon and Palestinians) because the way they were treated in their home countries forced them to flee.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:44 AM

15. One must bear in mind, however, that the United States has always been a country of immigrants.

One must bear in mind that the United States has always been a country of immigrants and their descendants. The United States has all kinds of immigrants and descendants of immigrants who fled their old home countries due to oppression and abusive treatment.

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