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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:30 AM Oct 2015

Why Black Lives Matter Activists Are Showing Up for a Palestinian Woman Threatened With Deportation

Earlier this month, a group of organizations including Black Youth Project and the Dream Defenders—both leaders in the movement for black lives—released a video that seeks to highlight similarities between black Americans’ and Palestinians’ struggles against state violence. “When I see them, I see us,” various Palestinian and black activists and artists say as still images of people who have been killed at the hands of police or other armed forces fill the screen. “We are not statistics. We are not collateral damage. We have names and faces.”


In explaining the intent of the video, one of the its creators told Al Jazeera America, “Here were two groups of people dealing with completely different historical trajectories, but both which resulted in a process of dehumanization that criminalized them and that subject their bodies as expendable.” Another person behind the video’s production said that Israel and the United States “strengthen their state power by convincing much of the public that uprisings in Ferguson and Gaza are signs of pathological criminality, as opposed to critical actions of resistance against state powers that actively engage in historical genocide.”

Talk of solidarity between human-rights struggles happening in different parts of the world may appear as mostly symbolic—the province of consciousness-raising online campaigns like the video, sign-on letters, and statements of support from celebrities with high profiles. But the same day that the video launched online, one of the women it features was in the midst of her own struggle and surrounded by a showing of black-Palestinian solidarity. On Wednesday, October 14, Rasmea Odeh stood outside a courthouse in Cincinnati after her attorney argued before the US Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit that she had not received a fair trial in federal court in Detroit late last year and is being denied her right to remain in this country as a naturalized citizen. Rallying around her were about 100 people, including representatives from black organizing circles in Chicago and members of Cincinnati’s Black Lives Matter contingent, who stood shoulder to shoulder with members of Chicago’s Arab immigrant and Arab-American communities.

Odeh is a 68-year-old woman who in October 2013 was arrested at her home in suburban Chicago and charged with lying to obtain her citizenship. The federal government claims that she had deceived immigration officials during her application process in 2004 because when asked whether she had ever been incarcerated, Odeh replied that she had not. In fact, Odeh had spent 10 years in prison after being sentenced to life by an Israeli military court for her alleged involvement in the bombings and for her involvement in a Palestinian organization Israel deemed illegal. She was released after a decade as part of a prisoner exchange and moved to Jordan, where she lived until immigrating to the United States in 1995. During this incarceration, Odeh says she endured various forms of torture, including rape, and that she gave a false confession as a result. According to her supporters, Odeh is one of the first Palestinian women to speak about the Israeli military’s use of rape as a form of torture.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-black-lives-matter-activists-are-showing-up-for-a-palestinian-woman-threatened-with-deportation/

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Why Black Lives Matter Activists Are Showing Up for a Palestinian Woman Threatened With Deportation (Original Post) azurnoir Oct 2015 OP
Sickening. grossproffit Oct 2015 #1
lol, BLM is pissing off all the right people nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #2
Sad that a known terrorist bomber gets giggles from you. grossproffit Oct 2015 #3
One who was accused by Israel in 1969 and who was raped into confessing. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #4
Don't hold your breath n/t Scootaloo Oct 2015 #6
Fascinating what you accept as fact and what you don't oberliner Oct 2015 #7
according to the Israeli military court. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #9
And her relatives oberliner Oct 2015 #10
second time you've posted that on this thread but it's been posted here before azurnoir Oct 2015 #23
Have you watched it? oberliner Oct 2015 #24
yes when it was posted by another poster azurnoir Oct 2015 #26
OK oberliner Oct 2015 #33
I thought the first 10 minutes interesting azurnoir Oct 2015 #35
real liberals care about the truth. Mosby Oct 2015 #15
Yes, which is why no liberal would lie about the Iran nuclear deal geek tragedy Oct 2015 #18
The arguments are more in line with Bernie Sanders King_David Oct 2015 #42
Huh? SereneG Oct 2015 #5
A freedom fighter bombs an Israeli supermarket in 1969? oberliner Oct 2015 #8
Well, according to the article, she's a "woman COLGATE4 Oct 2015 #11
Jewish "freedom fighters" bombed the King David hotel... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #14
You think the people who bombed the King David hotel were "freedom fighters" ? oberliner Oct 2015 #16
Hench the quotes. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #17
no, but those responsible are revered within Israel. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #19
Both Israelis and Palestinians revere some pretty unsavory characters oberliner Oct 2015 #20
and, of course, that goes for the settlements in the west bank as well, of course nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #21
Here us a PDF of the translated version Israeli indictment, interesting how many sentences are cut azurnoir Oct 2015 #12
Interesting website you got that from oberliner Oct 2015 #13
It was a stand alone PDF on a Google search azurnoir Oct 2015 #22
What is a stand alone PDF? oberliner Oct 2015 #25
one that linked to on it's own on a Google search azurnoir Oct 2015 #27
someone has to host the pdf Mosby Oct 2015 #28
no many PDF's are linked directly from a Google search and are considered to be stand alone azurnoir Oct 2015 #29
yeah, no. Mosby Oct 2015 #30
yes and in this case the host should have increased the veracity for some posters here azurnoir Oct 2015 #31
So it's ok to use right wing websites King_David Oct 2015 #39
I guess for some it all depends on who uses them azurnoir Oct 2015 #40
Okay I forgot "a stand alone PDF" King_David Oct 2015 #41
Was it via Google or Wikipedia? oberliner Oct 2015 #32
via Google does that satisfy your curiosity? azurnoir Oct 2015 #34
Sure oberliner Oct 2015 #36
perhaps you're searches follow a different criteria azurnoir Oct 2015 #37
They don't get the " stand alone pdf " King_David Oct 2015 #38
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. One who was accused by Israel in 1969 and who was raped into confessing.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

One who's lead an entirely peaceful life since then.

Sympathy for BLM and supporting Israel is a rare combination, though it does happen.

Still waiting for you and your fellow travelers to take the left/liberal side of an argument here . . . or to even say something liberal.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Fascinating what you accept as fact and what you don't
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

There is no evidence of her being raped (other than her saying so).

There is copious evidence connecting her to the bombing that killed two civilians at a supermarket (and would have killed many more if the other bomb had gone off).

But you decide that the former is definitely true but the latter not so much.

One would think that a left/liberal argument would be that bombing a supermarket is wrong.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. And her relatives
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

Have you watched Women in Struggle?



Start at the 10:00 minute mark if you are interested.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
23. second time you've posted that on this thread but it's been posted here before
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:27 PM
Oct 2015

very popular with the like minded it seems

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Yes, which is why no liberal would lie about the Iran nuclear deal
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:17 PM
Oct 2015

by parroting claims made by the Tea Party extremists, for one example.

Say, did Menachem Begin ever go to prison for Deir Yassin? Did Ariel Sharon go to prison for Sabra and Shatila?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
42. The arguments are more in line with Bernie Sanders
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:12 PM
Oct 2015

Barack Obamas and Hillary Clintons than your "fellow travelers " are ... On this IP topic....

 

SereneG

(31 posts)
5. Huh?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:22 AM
Oct 2015
I would say that she is a 'Freedoms Fighter not a terrorist bomber"

Do not judge as I'm sure that you could never walk a foot in her shoes
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. A freedom fighter bombs an Israeli supermarket in 1969?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

Killing two shoppers and injuring more.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
11. Well, according to the article, she's a "woman
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

empowering other women". Funny idea of empowering...

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
14. Jewish "freedom fighters" bombed the King David hotel...
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:29 PM
Oct 2015

killing people as well.

I guess one person's freedom fighter is more genuine than those thel call terrorists.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. You think the people who bombed the King David hotel were "freedom fighters" ?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

I certainly don't hold that view and am shocked that you do.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. no, but those responsible are revered within Israel.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:20 PM
Oct 2015

And, they're considered moderates by today's standards.

Israel even had a big party to celebrate it in 2006, complete with a memorial plaque.

Israel's current leader has endorsed it as an act of resistance, not terror.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Both Israelis and Palestinians revere some pretty unsavory characters
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:52 PM
Oct 2015

We don't need to get into who has plaques and streets named after them across the West Bank.

Or what loathsome people the current Palestinian leader has spoken favorably about.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Interesting website you got that from
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

Quite a lot of "Islamists" bashing and the like all over that site.

John Bolton is a big fan:

"Steve and the Investigative Project on Terrorism have done critically important work for so many years. I've relied on the research and publications that he's done, [and] I know many members of Congress have. If the IPT did not exist, our national security would have been eviscerated by now."

John Bolton, Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations

http://www.investigativeproject.org/about.php

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
29. no many PDF's are linked directly from a Google search and are considered to be stand alone
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:53 PM
Oct 2015

unless of course some wish to promote otherwise, in any event one of Bolton's sites is used here frequently Gatestone Institute I believe in any event that should increase the veracity of the pdf for some here

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
31. yes and in this case the host should have increased the veracity for some posters here
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:36 PM
Oct 2015

or at least those who have used Gatestone as a source

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
40. I guess for some it all depends on who uses them
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:30 AM
Oct 2015

or what is considered rightwing but as I have stated I did not use the website

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
36. Sure
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:38 AM
Oct 2015

No big deal - I just tried to search myself and couldn't find it. I'm usually pretty good at that sort of thing!

King_David

(14,851 posts)
38. They don't get the " stand alone pdf "
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:40 AM
Oct 2015

The ones hosted by John Bolton - that your Google criteria do ?

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