Op-Ed: Time for a regional solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[King_David]

Yair Lapid


NEW YORK (JTA)—In the last 48 hours, rockets from Gaza were again fired at innocent civilians. This cannot be tolerated. The Israel Defense Forces must respond swiftly and without hesitation. We, as the opposition, will support strong government action.

Yet such action cannot stand alone. We need to initiate and be proactive in order to restore quiet and start the painful but necessary process of separating from the Palestinians to reach a two-state solution.

I’m going to argue that the only way to achieve the two-state solution is to give up on direct talks and manage the negotiations through a regional conference supported by the United States.

With that, allow me first to address the Iran issue and the fight against the BDS movement.

This past year, the strategic dialogue between Israel and the United States focused on Iran. It’s been unproductive, often too personal and is leading to an agreement that Israel will struggle to live with.

The deal being negotiated with Iran raises serious concerns, especially regarding supervision and the ability to reinstate sanctions in case Iran breaches the agreement.

And make no mistake, Iran will breach the agreement. It is a regime that believes deceit is part of its holy war and fraud is a legitimate weapon when deployed in the name of Allah.

In order to prevent that, we need to restore the full-scale intelligence cooperation between Israel and the United States, and try to come to an agreement on three key issues: the penalties against Iran in case of any breach; the mechanism for supervision; and the question of which scenarios justify a military operation against Iranian nuclear sites.

Israel will not and cannot take any option off the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. The explicit Iranian statement of intent to destroy the State of Israel is something unheard of since the Second World War.

We are at a critical moment. The American government needs to work with us in the understanding that the Iranian nuclear program poses a threat to the whole world, but first and foremost to Israel. We are in range. We are the declared targets.

My father was a Holocaust survivor from the Budapest ghetto. He used to say to me, “Do you know what the world will do if Israel is destroyed? They will all be very sad, they will open an orphanage for the surviving children and they will write a condolence letter.”

http://www.jta.org/2015/06/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/op-ed-time-for-a-regional-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

[tymorial]

1. be careful what you ask for....

Last year that very region sided with virtually all of Israel's demands for a cease fire and supported nothing from Palestine.

[shira]

24. Nah, more specifically the Arab league sided against Hamas...

....because they're all scared shitless by theocratic fascists like Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, and the Iranians.

The Arab league has seen enough of that shit & will gladly side with Israel (and with the PA) against threats like Hamas.

[Jefferson23]

2. A regional conference that may screw the Palestinians for good..how thoughtful of him.

His Iran meme nonsense is just that and rhetoric Obama does not buy, he also has the gall to
invoke the Holocaust, just like Bibi when he speaks of Iran.

[shira]

20. The gall to invoke the Holocaust? Well here's how it works, okay?

When the Iranian leadership constantly calls for the destruction of Israel and aids terror organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah who are clear in their goals (wanting Jews dead all across the world), then yeah.....it's perfectly legit to compare genocidal fascist psychopathic leaders to the 3rd fucking Reich.

See how that works?

[Jefferson23]

22. That only works if you believe Israel's constant propaganda...like you do. n/t

[shira]

25. Well, when certain genocidal psychopathic fascist mideast leaders stop....

.....sounding like the head of the Nazi party, then the Holocaust won't have to be invoked.

See how that works?

[Jefferson23]

26. No..it works because people like you, believe Israel's propaganda.

Israel has consistently politicized the Holocaust and they should stop it.

[shira]

36. Oh, so now it's time to deny what Iran, Hezbollah, & Hamas....

....are threatening and attempting to do against the "cancerous, Zionist apes and pigs" ?

[Jefferson23]

40. Take a break, shira. Your only audience that finds your truthiness credible are already

on board..so don't sweat it.

Israel has not ever done right by the Palestinians because they have the power
not to and they have enemies as a result...rocket science is not required.

[azurnoir]

3. Compares Obamas Iran deal with the Holocaust, gets in some Muslim bashing and then......

"Instead of trying to show the world that we’re a democracy, it’s time for us to expose the fact that the BDS movement is actually a puppet in a theater operated by Hamas and Islamic Jihad."

[Jefferson23]

4. Sick stuff, it is never about what they have done to the Palestinians. n/t

[azurnoir]

8. ya know I don't even expect an Israeli politian to mention what Israel has done however

nothing he said had much to do with an actual solution, maybe that's the new standard, lots words amounting to lots of words

[Jefferson23]

10. Hopefully not another war:

*We need to initiate and be proactive in order to restore quiet and start the painful but necessary process of separating from the Palestinians to reach a two-state solution.

[azurnoir]

14. restore quiet is a very broad term and could be applied to Gaza, West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Sinai,

anywhere in the entire region there's unrest

[Jefferson23]

15. Yes, but he prefaces the rockets before that statement. n/t

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on edit for clarity.

[deathrind]

27. Very true.

Never a peep about recent illegal land grabs of the so called "promised land" or houses destroyed to make room for new settlements

[King_David]

5. This guy would get 100% support from every Democrat rep and Bernie Sanders too...

He is taken very seriously there....

[azurnoir]

7. so every Dem rep thinks that Obama's Iran deal is comparable to the Holocaust? Really?

[King_David]

9. Those were your words...

mine were :

This guy would get 100% support from every Democrat rep and Bernie Sanders too...

Yes really


Somebody suggesting BDS would be met with the same fury Bernie Sanders displayed here :

[azurnoir]

12. it's right there in your snip more at the link

and yes you said every Dem politician would agree with that

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. That's the mistake I would expect from the inexperienced

in life: all bravado, no tact, less substance.

[King_David]

52. Dunno how you got that nonsense

Huh ???





Desperate indeed.....

[azurnoir]

54. well somethings desperate but here it is again albeit you've already read it way down thread :)

The deal being negotiated with Iran raises serious concerns, especially regarding supervision and the ability to reinstate sanctions in case Iran breaches the agreement.

And make no mistake, Iran will breach the agreement. It is a regime that believes deceit is part of its holy war and fraud is a legitimate weapon when deployed in the name of Allah.

In order to prevent that, we need to restore the full-scale intelligence cooperation between Israel and the United States, and try to come to an agreement on three key issues: the penalties against Iran in case of any breach; the mechanism for supervision; and the question of which scenarios justify a military operation against Iranian nuclear sites.

Israel will not and cannot take any option off the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. The explicit Iranian statement of intent to destroy the State of Israel is something unheard of since the Second World War.

We are at a critical moment. The American government needs to work with us in the understanding that the Iranian nuclear program poses a threat to the whole world, but first and foremost to Israel. We are in range. We are the declared targets.

My father was a Holocaust survivor from the Budapest ghetto. He used to say to me, “Do you know what the world will do if Israel is destroyed? They will all be very sad, they will open an orphanage for the surviving children and they will write a condolence letter.”

Seventy years after the Holocaust, I cannot fathom, and neither can most Israelis, why the world is not even willing to demand that the Iranians retract their statements calling for our destruction.


http://www.jta.org/2015/06/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/op-ed-time-for-a-regional-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

http://www.jta.org/2015/06/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/op-ed-time-for-a-regional-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

[Little Tich]

49. I think you're wrong when you think that Sanders would support a populist f**ckwit like Lapid.

Supporting Israel for what it stands for doesn't mean supporting everything and everyone Israeli.

[Dick Dastardly]

11. Where does he compare Obamas Iran deal with the Holocaust?

[azurnoir]

13. Maybe read the snip and article

I find denial of the obvious fun lets keep going yes?

[King_David]

16. Well it just is not there,

That is why you can not point it out.

[azurnoir]

21. ......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134106867#post19

[deathrind]

28. Facts...

Are something that rearly gets in the way of talking points

[azurnoir]

33. and fact is it's there in the article

and oh welcome to DU

[shira]

39. It's not there, otherwise you'd have quoted the relevant sentences. n/t

[Dick Dastardly]

17. I did read it and don't see what you claim. So point it out.

What I do see is your usual baseless claims, spin and half truths that fill your posts.

[azurnoir]

19. If you read then you should have seen it were you wearing some sort of blinders?

[King_David]

29. It's not there and you can't point to it either

Pretty clear ... Thought nobody would notice huh ? LOL

[bemildred]

6. I doubt that jumping into the middle of the Shi'ia-Sunni dispute will do Israel any good. nt

[azurnoir]

23. for anyone questioning the Holocaust comparison it's here

Israel will not and cannot take any option off the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. The explicit Iranian statement of intent to destroy the State of Israel is something unheard of since the Second World War.

We are at a critical moment. The American government needs to work with us in the understanding that the Iranian nuclear program poses a threat to the whole world, but first and foremost to Israel. We are in range. We are the declared targets.

My father was a Holocaust survivor from the Budapest ghetto. He used to say to me, “Do you know what the world will do if Israel is destroyed? They will all be very sad, they will open an orphanage for the surviving children and they will write a condolence letter.”

Seventy years after the Holocaust, I cannot fathom, and neither can most Israelis, why the world is not even willing to demand that the Iranians retract their statements calling for our destruction.

http://www.jta.org/2015/06/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/op-ed-time-for-a-regional-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

[King_David]

30. Where's the link to Obama ?

Think nobody would notice that it's just not there?

[azurnoir]

31. Here more completely Isn't Obama negotiating a deal with Iran ?

The deal being negotiated with Iran raises serious concerns, especially regarding supervision and the ability to reinstate sanctions in case Iran breaches the agreement.

And make no mistake, Iran will breach the agreement. It is a regime that believes deceit is part of its holy war and fraud is a legitimate weapon when deployed in the name of Allah.

In order to prevent that, we need to restore the full-scale intelligence cooperation between Israel and the United States, and try to come to an agreement on three key issues: the penalties against Iran in case of any breach; the mechanism for supervision; and the question of which scenarios justify a military operation against Iranian nuclear sites.

Israel will not and cannot take any option off the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. The explicit Iranian statement of intent to destroy the State of Israel is something unheard of since the Second World War.

We are at a critical moment. The American government needs to work with us in the understanding that the Iranian nuclear program poses a threat to the whole world, but first and foremost to Israel. We are in range. We are the declared targets.

My father was a Holocaust survivor from the Budapest ghetto. He used to say to me, “Do you know what the world will do if Israel is destroyed? They will all be very sad, they will open an orphanage for the surviving children and they will write a condolence letter.”

Seventy years after the Holocaust, I cannot fathom, and neither can most Israelis, why the world is not even willing to demand that the Iranians retract their statements calling for our destruction.

[King_David]

32. and the link to Obamas plan and the Holocaust as you claimed?

Please point to it ( 6 posts later) ....because you can't .... Can you..

Think nobody would notice?

[azurnoir]

34. I just did, and it's there twice actually

but do keep sailing that African river

[King_David]

35. You have not and can not link the two

Because it doesn't exist... You got caught and you simply can not link your claim .

And now I'm done because I can see you simply can not back up what you posted because it does not exist.


LOL

[azurnoir]

37. I didn't do it Lapid did

The deal being negotiated with Iran raises serious concerns, especially regarding supervision and the ability to reinstate sanctions in case Iran breaches the agreement.

And make no mistake, Iran will breach the agreement. It is a regime that believes deceit is part of its holy war and fraud is a legitimate weapon when deployed in the name of Allah.

In order to prevent that, we need to restore the full-scale intelligence cooperation between Israel and the United States, and try to come to an agreement on three key issues: the penalties against Iran in case of any breach; the mechanism for supervision; and the question of which scenarios justify a military operation against Iranian nuclear sites.

Israel will not and cannot take any option off the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. The explicit Iranian statement of intent to destroy the State of Israel is something unheard of since the Second World War.

We are at a critical moment. The American government needs to work with us in the understanding that the Iranian nuclear program poses a threat to the whole world, but first and foremost to Israel. We are in range. We are the declared targets.

My father was a Holocaust survivor from the Budapest ghetto. He used to say to me, “Do you know what the world will do if Israel is destroyed? They will all be very sad, they will open an orphanage for the surviving children and they will write a condolence letter.”

Seventy years after the Holocaust, I cannot fathom, and neither can most Israelis, why the world is not even willing to demand that the Iranians retract their statements calling for our destruction.

http://www.jta.org/2015/06/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/op-ed-time-for-a-regional-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

[King_David]

38. You can post that as many times as you want

Nowhere in there does he link the Holocaust to Obama's Iran plan .

ReRead Dick Dasterly's post to yourself and take it to heart.

[azurnoir]

41. I read DD's attack however Lapid connected Obama's Iran negtiations to the Holocaust

[Jefferson23]

44. It's never there, the occupation, human rights abuses..they're just not really there.

Same old, same old.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. Keep on digging, king.

[Dick Dastardly]

43. Baseless claims spin and half truths substituting for facts is a common theme

in arguments coming from the anti Israel crowd. When anything is challenged you just get more gobbledygook double talk like we see in this thread.
Lack of facts backing up a position makes some use fallacious arguments rather than factual arguments.

[geek tragedy]

45. This kind of drivel is what passes for centrism in Israel I guess.

1. Bomb Iran

2. BDS is like ISIS

3. Everything is the Palestinians' fault

4. We should have a regional conference with Arab leaders, where Israel will agree to make no concessions and receive all of its demands

5. Palestinians are icky and gross and need to be banned from even looking at Israel

[King_David]

46. This guy will be supported by Bernie

A lot of people should start a different party or support different candidates to avoid disappointment.



proud to be a Democratic Party activist on all issues.

[Jefferson23]

47. Yea, just like fast track and TPP..it's all kumbaya within the Democratic party and Obama.

You guys crack me up.

[King_David]

53. Huh ?

You meant to answer my post?

[azurnoir]

50. ya post that up okay I'll be patient Bernie saying he'll support Lapid

I can hardly wait

[King_David]

51. Support anyone but Netanyahu

Ha

So sad for you guys ... Me I'm ok with it.

[azurnoir]

56. so IOW your claiming Bernie would support Naftali Bennett or Avigdor Lieberman?

please, however now Bernie did recently say he "is no fan of Netanyahu" but that's a bit different your claim, oh and he also said the Palestinians "deserve the support of the US" along with their own state, something that puts him in a different camp from some

[King_David]

57. Everyone says the Palestinians deserve their own state

But since he's a real progressive and definitely not a PEP, I would hope that he would predicate his support on losing the mysogenistic and homophobic and other extremely bigoted aspects of Palestinian culture , society and government that exist today.

Here's a good thread to read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134106802


Or here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134104637

[azurnoir]

59. Not every member of Congress says the Palestinians deserve US economic support

in fact it seems rather fashionable to attempt to cut funds to the Palestinians not mention Bernie isn't receiving support from folks like Haim Saban albeit other Democratic candidate(s) are

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/bernie-sanders-im-not-a-great-fan-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/16/1393386/-BNR-Sanders-Im-Not-A-Great-Fan-Of-Netanyahu#

[King_David]

60. Whatever democratic nominee is will receive support....

Support to Palestinians should be conditional on them accepting basic human rights, LGBT rights and rights for woman and all minorities.

[azurnoir]

61. But that's not what Bernie said and for that matter I don't remember Hillary saying that either

[King_David]

62. Here's a thread for you to read,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134104637

[azurnoir]

63. That's the same thread of your you posted a couple comments back

you do realize the difference between quoting Barnie from a recent interview and an opinion piece, right?

[King_David]

64. Here's a good thread for you to read

Sad for the don't like Israel crowd but we support Bernie

LOL


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134104637

[azurnoir]

65. seeing that it's the 3rd time you've posted the same opinion piece of yours I think it's been read

but whatever

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/bernie-sanders-im-not-a-great-fan-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/16/1393386/-BNR-Sanders-Im-Not-A-Great-Fan-Of-Netanyahu#

and yes this is the Rehm interview what is sad is that the deserved outcry over Rehm's antisemitic claim that Bernie had dual American Israeli citizenship, what Bernie said during the interview outside of that was entirely lost and the reason both KOS and Rawstory ran the interview, may I say he handled her with far more grace than the pundits

[King_David]

66. A Jewish president would be so cool

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History would be made.

A Zionist one too but that's not history, most recent ones have been except for maybe Bush snr and Carter.

[geek tragedy]

55. Bernie supports the deal with Iran and opposes a

war with Iran.

[King_David]

58. Here's an interesting thread for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134104637

[Little Tich]

48. It seems as if Yair Lapid is ready to remove all the settlements in the West Bank,

but not in Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. At least that's what the Op-ed sounds like without knowing his actual position.

Perhaps this is what he argues for, or it could be that he's just a dishonest politician making only half of an argument.