Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

[Jefferson23]

4/18/2015

Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Israel against supplying weapons to the Ukrainian government, which is battling a Russian- backed insurgency in its eastern province.

“This is a choice, a choice of the Israeli leadership; they have the right to do what they consider appropriate. I think it is counterproductive, if it concerns lethal weapons, because it will only lead to yet another swirl of confrontation, to more human casualties, but the result will be the same,” Putin said in an interview on Rossiya 1 TV on Saturday.

His words were reported as well on the English-language news website for Sputnik International.

In Israel, the Prime Minister’s Office and the Defense Ministry had no response to the report.

Israel has been upset by Russia’s decision last week to lift its five-year ban on the sale of the S-300 anti-missile system to Iran and to deliver those weapons by the end of 2015.


http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Putin-warns-Israel-against-selling-arms-to-Ukraine-398497

[Taylorz]

1. No, Putin sold weapons to Iran just last week.

I think Israel has the right to sell whatever weapons to Ukraine to defend from assholes like him.

[Jefferson23]

2. Everyone is pretty much aware of the sale, I would think. Putin is warning Israel, and

states he realizes it is their decision to make.

There are parts of the world right now that are so hot, Ukraine included, I do hope
the tensions begin to slow down..it is not looking good right now...not at all.

[guillaumeb]

3. The Israeli government cannot use ALL of their equipment against

the Palestinians. They also need the foreign exchange.
From the Jerusalem Post:
Israel is one of the world's top arms exporters, and most of its customers are developing countries. Israel is also one of the world's biggest arms buyers, according to a report, Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 2004-2011, by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) at the Library of Congress. The report was sent to Congress on Friday.
Israel is one of the world's top arms exporters, and most of its customers are developing countries. Israel is also one of the world's biggest arms buyers, according to a report, Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 2004-2011, by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) at the Library of Congress. The report was sent to Congress on Friday.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israel-among-top-arms-exporters-and-importers
From haaretz:
Israel is one of the world's top arms exporters, and most of its customers are developing countries. Israel is also one of the world's biggest arms buyers, according to a report, Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 2004-2011, by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) at the Library of Congress. The report was sent to Congress on Friday.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.531956

Israel is a merchant of death, like its patron, the US.

[oberliner]

4. America, Russia, Germany, China and France

Five countries—America, Russia, Germany, China and France—accounted for three-quarters of international arms exports over the past five years.

Israel ranks below Spain and Italy (and, incidentally, the Ukraine).

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/03/daily-chart-13

[King_David]

6. " Israel is a merchant of death, like its patron, the US."

I spent some time in Canada and one thing Americans don't realize is the inferiority complex a lot of Canadians have toward indifferent Americans which manifests in anti- Americanism ( again we're so self absorbed we don't really care)

Meanwhile the government of Canada is way way Right Wing.

[guillaumeb]

8. there is a joke

I think it is a joke, but like most jokes it is based on truth.

What is the difference between Canada, the US, and Mexico?

The US has nice neighbors.

Spending some time there is different from being born there. Canada has a better economy for the average worker, a better health care system, a better banking system, and a strong real estate market.

Like the US, some provinces are more right wing than others, but even right wingers in Canada are not so different from many US Democrats and generally much more sane than the GOP.

[oberliner]

10. Stephen Harper vows loyalty to Israel in speech to Knesset

Prime Minister Stephen Harper spoke fiercely in defence of Israel Monday, accusing critics of anti-Semitism, vowing to stand with the country, and drawing heckles from two legislators who eventually stormed out of his speech to the Knesset.

"Through fire and water, Canada will stand with you," Harper said in closing his speech to Israel's parliament, echoing a prayer that is said on Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-vows-loyalty-to-israel-in-speech-to-knesset-1.2503393

[guillaumeb]

11. Harper is a right wing, born again, oil man from Alberta.

Remind you of anyone? Except for the Alberta part?

He will say anything in support of the big neighbor to get the pipeline built. Opposition from First Peoples and other groups is building and he must provide an outlet for the toxic sludge.

Did you know that the waste holding areas around the tar sand fields can be seen from space?

[sabbat hunter]

5. Putin can

go bite my sweaty nuts.

He is waging a war of aggression against Ukraine, is supplying the mullah's in Iran with long range weapons. Did he think Israel was going to do nothing in reaction to that?

[Jefferson23]

7. It is really not about who is wrong and who is in the right any more. More about

how to end the rising tensions and possibilities for more serious confrontations.

Putin is an awful actor, and he also takes opportunities before him, better to
find a resolve before things get much worse. For Iran, they are doing what any
state would do, protect themselves from any possible coup....history has
taught them well enough.

[guillaumeb]

9. right on target

when you wrote:
"how to end the rising tensions and possibilities for more serious confrontations."

THAT should be the concern of everyone. War is in no one's interest.

[azurnoir]

12. Israel's foreign ministry blocked sales of drones to Ukraine last fall , no surprise because the

then and according to reports future foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman is or at least was an admirer of Putin

The Foreign Ministry has halted a drone sale to Ukraine out of fears the deal would antagonize Russia, an ally of breakaway regions in east Ukraine, Channel 2 television reported Monday night.

In recent weeks, a Ukrainian delegation was in Israel to discuss weapons purchases, including drones that could be used against the Russia-backed separatists, Channel 2 said.

The Defense Ministry reportedly approved the deal with the Israeli maker of the unmanned vehicles, Aeronautics Ltd., but the Foreign Ministry vetoed it.

Officials from the foreign and defense ministries have declined to comment.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.616031

After the 2011 Duma election, in which Russian President Vladimir Putin's party United Russia won, Lieberman was the first politician to describe them as "absolutely fair, free and democratic". Putin has described Lieberman's own political career as "brilliant". Lieberman's pro-Russian stance and perceived friendly relations with Putin have also drawn criticism from fellow Israelis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman

[bemildred]

26. I've been wondering about that.

Putin is not without the means to hit back, and has shown a willingness to use them.

[Scootaloo]

13. What, Israel doesn't want competition for "World's Most Asinine Occupation / Annexation" this year?

or is it just that the world isn't big enough for two taint-stink Russian presidents?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

14. .

[Jefferson23]

15. lol

[shira]

16. I would think a critic of occupation like yourself would laud Israel arming....

....Ukraine in order to counter Russian aggression.

[Scootaloo]

17. What, do you of all people, have an issue with what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

No pious pearl-clutching over the exercise of Russian "self-determination" over the very homeland of the Russian people? Come now Shira, apply your standards evenly.

[shira]

18. I asked u a question. n/t

[Scootaloo]

19. No, you made a statement.

I would think a critic of occupation like yourself would laud Israel arming Ukraine in order to counter Russian aggression.

See? There's no interrogatives in that sentence. You don't even try to Fox News it into a question by sticking a question mark at the end of the statement.

However...

What, do you of all people, have an issue with what Russia is doing in Ukraine? No pious pearl-clutching over the exercise of Russian "self-determination" over the very homeland of the Russian people?

That's two questions. I will await your answer

[shira]

20. Apparently, you don't have much of a problem with Russia's occupation

Else, you'd support Israel arming Ukrainian resistance against Russia's Imperialist aims.

Israel can't win or lose with you. If they didn't arm Ukraine, you'd attack. When they do arm Ukraine, you still attack.

[Scootaloo]

21. If you ever poked your nose outside of I/P, you'd know otherwise

Actually I've brought it up a few times in I/P as well, so i'm not sure what your excuse is.

I think it's hypocritical that Israel, busy occupying and brutalizing Palestine, is making a maneuver against Russia's brutalization and occupation of Ukraine. It's very much a "do as I say not as I do' scenario. If Israel has a problem with such endeavors, there are palces where it can stand up against them much closer to home than Donetsk.

So. Why do you support one brutal occupation and de facto annexation, but decry the other?

[shira]

22. You see the 2 occupations as nearly equivalent to each other. They aren't...

We both know that if Israel ends its occupation w/o a peace deal, Israel's citizens would soon be attacked in major population areas within Israel. They'd be attacked by Jew hating proxies of Iran and other assorted terrorists within just a couple miles from Israeli doorsteps. The temptation would be too great. You're aware of how tiny Israel is, right?

The Ukraine poses absolutely no threat to Russian citizens.

There isn't a DU'er here, including yourself, who would grin and bear living with Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram (take your pick) within just a couple miles of their homes, all armed to the teeth, making their intentions known to kill any American they possibly can. America would never be bullied into making their citizens such easy targets for maniacal psycopaths hellbent on massacring them. And for damned good reason.

An end to Israeli occupation w/o a peace deal is a call to war and mass bloodshed. The result being that Israel would have to re-occupy in order to prevent that from happening again. And for what? To appease the warmongers? Fuck that.

The Russian situation in the Ukraine is nothing like that. It's 1000x worse.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. I believe that was another statement, shira. C'mon. You are so big on the demands of late.

Stick to your principles...if you have them available and answer in kind.

[shira]

24. Didn't u just write the other day u don't have time for me?

Did u forget?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. I do have the time to point out when you become

a walking excuse.

My apologies if you don't like it, but I couldn't help but notice how you evade everybody, this time it is scoot, but expect others to live to a higher standard.