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New science shows that in climate terms, natural gas may be no better than coaland possibly worse.
By Bill McKibben MotherJones.com | Mon Sep. 8, 2014
Hydraulic Fracture Pads in Wyoming-4 per sq.km
If you're a politician, science is a bitch; it resists spin. And a new set of studiesabout, of all things, a simple molecule known as CH4show that President Obama's climate change strategy is starting to unravel even as it's being knit. To be specific: most of the administration's theoretical gains in the fight against global warming have come from substituting natural gas for coal. But it looks now as if that doesn't really help...
...For a political leader, it was the very definition of a lucky break: Without having to do much heavy lifting against the power of the fossil fuel industry, the administration was able to produce results. In fact, it gave Obama cover from the right, as he in essence turned the GOP chant of "Drill Baby Drill" into "Frack Baby Frack." Not only that, the cheap gas was a boost to sputtering American manufacturing, making it profitable once again to make chemicals and other goods close to home. As Obama said in his 2012 State of the Union address, as his re-election campaign geared up, "We have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly a hundred years, and my administration will take every possible action to safely develop this energy."
In his second term, Obama has become more vocal about climate changeand even more explicit in his reliance on natural gas to make the numbers work. Here's the State of the Union 2014: "if extracted safely, it's the bridge fuel that can power our economy with less of the carbon pollution that causes climate change."...
...Whether that strategy pays off or not, a likely result of the new EPA regulations, as Forbes magazine pointed out that day, is "the dramatic expansion of natural gas as a fuel for power generation." Some sun, some wind, but an awful lot of gas. In fact, the administration is so bullish on fracked gas that it is both moving to export more of our supply to other nations (it's even been suggested as a way to stand up to Vladimir Putin) and offering many countries technical assistance in learning how to frack on their own. (NTF: SEE: UKRAINE and R. Hunter Biden)A long list, including India, China, Indonesia, South Africa, and Mexico have taken up the State Department on the offer...
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/methane-fracking-obama-climate-change-bill-mckibben
Can someone tell the President there's a better way?
littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Of course the greedheads who pushed that planet-killing practice will be gone by then, having died rich, fat and untroubled by a trace of conscience or personal responsibility for what they have done.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)It's like a big circle.
Coal is eliminated as a fuel, replaced by gas. Coal miners are pissed. Coal remains in the ground. Price of fuel declines. Economy grows (except in Appalachia)
Getting the gas, fucks up the water.
Years later, there is no clean water to drink. But people remember that coal filters stuff. Miners' grand kids get to die in Massey mines.
Economy grows even more, prosperity returns to Appalachia, water is clean.
Everyone's happy and Obama will be added to Mt. Rushmore, remembered as the president who brought prosperity and clean water for all.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It would have already been done, and it hasn't. Fracking is destroying our water at the source, it is rendering farm and grazing land unusable, it is killing wildlife wholesale and it is destabilizing the very rock strata upon which we live . You haven't seen the half of what suffering that stupid, greedy practice will eventually do to our ever more degraded environment.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)...it was bloody frightening....
Gasland pissed me off, Gasland II made me want to leave the planet...
brewens
(13,574 posts)over there. I'm in a small area too, I wonder how many others have the same idea?
A woman I work with knows a couple with a kid that went over there and didn't do well. With the cost of living and everything else, it sucked. It really sounded a lot like late-comers to the Alaska gold rush.
For the two young guys I know, I guess I'd say, why not? They can always come back home if it doesn't work out. I hate to see the couple do it though. They aren't doing too bad and live in a beautiful small town in Idaho. I think they will hate it.
The guy making big bucks got in pretty early, is over there on his own and single.
The whole thing is not going to turn out well.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)With the amount of holes that have been made three must be thousands of poorly sealed wells. Sounds like the people responsible need to go back and reseal those wells and have them rechecked for leakage every 4-6 months until it is solved.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)No profit = no interest.
Given how little anyone cares about the abyssmal quality of well sealing anywhere
else on the planet (*), there is just about zero chance of getting the thousands of
leaking gas-wells properly fixed.
(*) The only recent exception being one particular oil well in the Gulf of Mexico
but the thousands of other leakers have never been addressed so a land-based
gas well where you can't even see an oil-slick? No chance.
Paka
(2,760 posts)"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe it!"
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)It would make a good set for a science fiction movie.
So sad that this is what lies ahead for our country.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)I guess we are going to find out.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Been a really bad 6 years for the party and for liberals
Nihil
(13,508 posts)Just look at that photo and picture the same injury to a human:
thousands of unhygienic needles stuck into the skin, each drawing
out as much blood as it can (to feed the ever more numerous parasites
whose toxins are then dumped in other patches of skin) and then, when
that area is deemed "dry", the needle is just pulled out to be moved along
to an unharmed patch of skin to do the same again.
Despite the obvious damage and total insanity of this behaviour, it is
praised as "vital" & "progressive" by the voices of the 0.1%.