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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:55 PM


Weather.com: Climate Skeptics Admit World Is Warming After All!

Hello there. Having been recently re-admitted to the E & E forums I thought I might share this AP article with you.

WASHINGTON -- Nearly 4 out of 5 Americans now think temperatures are rising and that global warming will be a serious problem for the United States if nothing is done about it, a new Associated Press-GfK poll finds.

Belief and worry about climate change are inching up among Americans in general, but concern is growing faster among people who don't often trust scientists on the environment. In follow-up interviews, some of those doubters said they believe their own eyes as they've watched thermometers rise, New York City subway tunnels flood, polar ice melt and Midwestern farm fields dry up.

Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem. That's up slightly from 2009, when 75 percent thought global warming was occurring and just 73 percent thought it was a serious problem. In general, U.S. belief in global warming, according to AP-GfK and other polls, has fluctuated over the years but has stayed between about 70 and 85 percent.

The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.

Within that highly skeptical group, 61 percent now say temperatures have been rising over the past 100 years. That's a substantial increase from 2009, when the AP-GfK poll found that only 47 percent of those with little or no trust in scientists believed the world was getting warmer.

This is an important development because, often in the past, opinion about climate change doesn't move much in core groups - like those who deny it exists and those who firmly believe it's an alarming problem, said Jon Krosnick, a Stanford University social psychologist and pollster. Krosnick, who consulted with The Associated Press on the poll questions, said the changes the poll shows aren't in the hard-core "anti-warming" deniers, but in the next group, who had serious doubts.

"They don't believe what the scientists say, they believe what the thermometers say," Krosnick said. "Events are helping these people see what scientists thought they had been seeing all along."

Phil Adams, a retired freelance photographer from Washington, N.C., said he was "fairly cynical" about scientists and their theories. But he believes very much in climate change because of what he's seen with his own eyes.

"Having lived for 67 years, we consistently see more and more changes based upon the fact that the weather is warmer," he said. "The seasons are more severe. The climate is definitely getting warmer."

"Storms seem to be more severe," he added. Nearly half, 49 percent, of those surveyed called global warming not just serious but "very serious," up from 42 percent in 2009. More than half, 57 percent, of those surveyed thought the U.S. government should do a great deal or quite a bit about global warming, up from 52 percent three years earlier.

But only 45 percent of those surveyed think President Barack Obama will take major action to fight climate change in his second term, slightly more than the 41 percent who don't think he will act.

Overall, the 78 percent who think temperatures are rising is not the highest percentage of Americans who have believed in climate change, according to AP polling. In 2006, less than a year after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, 85 percent thought temperatures were rising. The lowest point in the past 15 years for belief in warming was in December 2009, after some snowy winters and in the middle of an uproar about climate scientists' emails that later independent investigations found showed no manipulation of data.

Definitely some much-needed good news, IMO.

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AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 OP
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #1
AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #2
Nihil Dec 2012 #3
AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #5
4dsc Dec 2012 #4
AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #6

Response to AverageJoe90 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:57 PM

1. Well, it's bad news overall....but good that more people recognize it's bad.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:42 PM

2. Yeah.


Truth to be told, though, it didn't help that we had, and still have, really, to deal with people like Guy McPherson and Malcolm Light, for example, screeching "doomsday!" from the rooftops every so often(McPherson is known on here for his ridiculous "16*C by 2100!" claim, and Light for his way-out-of-left-field 'prediction' that all life on Earth would be dead by mid-century thanks to methane. Both claims full of shit, but they had their proponents on here.).

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:02 AM

3. Lots of claims that are full of shit have their proponents on here ...


... although there was a pleasant moment of calm & quiet for a while ...

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Response to Nihil (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:29 AM

5. Yeah, I wish that were true. But it wasn't to be.......(yes, I know what you meant.)


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Response to AverageJoe90 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:26 AM

4. Yet as a nation we do nothing


Since global warming isn't even on the radar of most people in government nothing will be done to decrease the amount of carbon that is going into the atmosphere.

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Response to 4dsc (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:30 AM

6. Maybe, maybe not. Do we really know for sure? The answer: No, we don't. n/t


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