Morons like this guarantee mankind is doomed

[Speck Tater]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/11/30/interest-rapidly-cooling-on-global-warming

During the past week, the United Nations has been holding its annual festival of climate alarmism in Doha, the capital of the Persian Gulf state of Qatar. The gathering will continue all next week.

--snip--

But the Doha gathering has garnered much less notice.

--snip--

But the lack of international interest may also be a sign that, at least subconsciously, more scientists are recognizing that the climate isn’t changing as rapidly or dramatically as predicted.

Certainly the alarmists, both within the scientific community and among environmentalists — the Al Gores and David Suzukis — are as vocal as ever in their predictions of imminent doom. They still insist that every study that calls into doubt their “settled science” is a plot by Big Oil and climate “deniers” to ignore reality.

Every study that is published recently has said that sea levels are rising faster than expected, ice is melting faster than expected, temperatures are rising faster than expected, methane release in the arctic is happening faster than expected, etc., etc., and still this moron can say, with a straight face "the climate isn’t changing as rapidly or dramatically as predicted".

And then he closes the editorial with "... the scientific consensus is far from universal." Again trotting out that blatant falsehood used to mislead the masses.

The earth is truly doomed, and people like this will insure that doom.

[BlueToTheBone]

2. True that. n/t

[dballance]

3. You're most likely correct

After we turn the earth into some uninhabitable wasteland where current mankind can no longer exist the earth will still be here. I'm not a statistician but I'd bet odds are decent over the following millennium new species will spring up to replace us. Maybe the global climate systems will fall back into a balance that favors beings like us. If so, I hope they are far smarter conservators of their environment than we have been.

[Speck Tater]

8. The least we can do for intelligent species to follow

is to leave them a warning and give them the benefit of our wisdom, AND of our mistakes. Some kind of plaque with a Rosetta stone type message etched deeply into baked porcelain and placed at safe locations inside deep caves all around the globe.

It would have to be something that could last a million years. Vitrified porcelain fits that bill. It would have to be something an intelligent, but not necessarily advanced species could decipher. It would have to assume that not even a single remnant of existing human languages would remain, so it would have to be designed to teach such people the language of the plaque. It would almost be like communicating with an alien civilization, except they would be right here on earth half a million years from now or more.

[dballance]

9. I think that's a great idea

Sort of like the plaques we put on Voyager.

All of those of us who are reasonable and serious know that unless something major changes soon we're dooming ourselves to extinction. When the World Bank and the CIA agree that climate change is a significant issue we should address then we should probably wake up and address it. But that's not happening and there are no signs it will happen any time soon.

It's not like the CIA is a lefty organization. I'm not sure how you could get a more right-leaning organization to say climate change is an issue.

So since it seems obvious we're going to take ourselves down it would be nice to leave some sort of history for those who come after us. The complicated question is how do you do that? How can you leave a history to beings who may evolve in hundreds of thousands of years or longer from now? Will whatever we leave be like the cave paintings in France and Spain are to us? How do we give them a key to decipher what we left?

This is a wonderful intellectual discussion I would love to see all those people who are so much smarter than me contribute to.

[NoOneMan]

11. Why not let them sink or swim?

If they figure it out without destroying themselves, then right on. They shall inherit the world.

If they can't, why prop em up till they self-destruct or destroy some other planet?

We have no responsibility to anything that comes next. Shouldn't we let nature have a shot at producing a truly sapient being that doesn't need external knowledge to get their act together?

I don't see any "moral" (temporary human construct) problem with letting the globe etch-a-sketch shake itself till it comes up with something that works, if it ever does

[Speck Tater]

12. But what if...

...reincarnation is for real? Then "they" will be "us" come back for another round of play.

[NoOneMan]

13. And what if Jesus saves us all from climate change?

Then we don't even need to make plaques.

In any case, the system will figure it out. I don't see a need personally to be any part of that process.

[Speck Tater]

14. Nah! The benevolent space brothers from planet Zeta Beta Boomba will save us. nt

[wtmusic]

15. If Jesus saves us, I'll give him a plaque. nt

[stuntcat]

4. except for all the beautiful species we'll erase forever

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To me that's cosmically dirty, even Evil. And the beautiful habitats they lived in that will be trashed.

But yeah, the animal species will keep evolving. It could take many thousands of years to get back the biodiversity the Earth would have without humans.
(edit: but knowing that will happen should give us some comfort watching our species rape the beauty that's already here, wipe out beautiful species that have taken so many thousands of years to be what they are?
NO. FUCK THAT. I WILL NEVER TAKE "but the Earth will survive" as an argument anymore. QUIT that tired shit already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU PROUD HUMANOIDS, it makes me sicker than anything.)

[hrmjustin]

7. Well said!

[NoOneMan]

10. I wonder what will come next

We are basically "priming" the planet, letting it collect more and more energy, that some successive population may one day be able to tap (if it eventually gets stored as hydrocarbons).

I wonder what are legacy, if there is a trace left, will mean to whatever takes over.

[MFM008]

5. Earth will take it back

She will rid herself of the pesky pests that are despoiling her...one way or another.

[wtmusic]

6. RW writer at a right-wing rag.

Those idiots will be more and more marginalized.

Note the disclaimer at the end: This doesn’t prove that man-made climate change isn’t happening, but it does show the scientific consensus is far from universal.

Two years ago, you wouldn't have even gotten that. It's a good sign.