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muriel_volestrangler

(101,268 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:08 AM Jul 2016

Hinkley Point C in doubt after British government delays approval (nuclear power)

Britain’s first new nuclear power station for a generation is in fresh doubt after the government delayed making a final decision on the £18bn Hinkley Point C, despite EDF’s directors voting to start work on the project.

The government said ministers would now conduct another review of the controversial project and make an announcement in the early autumn about whether to give it the green light.

The announcement surprised EDF, the French energy company leading Hinkley Point C. EDF was preparing to sign contracts with the government on Friday but has now cancelled press interviews that it was planning to hold with Vincent de Rivaz, the boss of its UK arm.

Greg Clark, the business, energy and industrial strategy secretary, said: “The UK needs a reliable and secure energy supply and the government believes that nuclear energy is an important part of the mix.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/28/hinkley-point-c-to-go-ahead-after-edf-board-approves-project

This really has astonished everyone. EDF had a controversial board meeting yesterday, which voted 10-7 to go ahead (with one director resigning over it), and they had everything ready for a signing ceremony today. Now they're taking down the tent, and the Chinese investors are flying back to China. The British government is refusing to say anything more than you see in the article.

"EDF shares rose as much as 8 percent in Paris"
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Hinkley Point C in doubt after British government delays approval (nuclear power) (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 OP
EDF rushed the decision so that the UK will be liable if May cancels the contract bananas Jul 2016 #1
The Final Investment Decision has been put off for months, and the UK govt wanted the project muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #2
From the article I posted bananas Jul 2016 #6
Today... NNadir Jul 2016 #3
Nuclear Power Advocates Claim Cheap Renewable Energy Is A Bad Thing kristopher Jul 2016 #4
Yes, NNadir, us anti-nukes are all-powerful evil demons from hell. bananas Jul 2016 #5
Wow. A true statement from an ignorant anti-nuke. That's rare. NNadir Jul 2016 #7

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. EDF rushed the decision so that the UK will be liable if May cancels the contract
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-29/edf-pushes-for-u-k-nuclear-project-energy-experts-call-crazy

EDF Pushes for U.K. Nuclear Project Energy Experts Call ‘Crazy’
July 29, 2016 — 2:03 AM PDT

<snip>

Renewable energy, which last year delivered a quarter of the U.K.’s power demand, could be a cheaper option, according to a report by the National Audit Office last month. Danish utility Dong Energy A/S won a contract to deliver offshore wind power in the Netherlands at 72 euros a megawatt-hour ($80) for 15 years earlier this month, a deal that may be the cheapest in the world for the technology.

<snip>

After months of delays EDF may have now rushed the decision at short notice over fears the new Prime Minister Theresa May may be seeking to ditch the project as part of a new industrial strategy, said Liebreich.

<snip>

Now that EDF has made the final investment decision, “if the U.K. cancels it, then the U.K. becomes liable for canceling the contract,” said Liebreich.

<snip>

“EDF are so exposed now. There’s a 2.6 billion-pound hole in the Somerset ground that EDF have spent of their own money,” said James Heappey, a local MP and member of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee. “I don’t think they can walk away from that scale of investment.”

muriel_volestrangler

(101,268 posts)
2. The Final Investment Decision has been put off for months, and the UK govt wanted the project
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jul 2016

just 4 days ago:

Hinkley Point C decision expected on Wednesday - with new questions over whether EDF will say 'oui'
By TristanCork | Posted: January 25, 2016

The final decision on whether the controversial new Hinkley Point C nuclear power station is expected to be made on Wednesday in Paris – with French energy firm EDF wrestling with last-minute jitters over the project.

The uncertainty over whether Hinkley C will get the 'Final Investment Decision' (FID) go-ahead looks like going right to the moment the board of the state-owned French energy giants meet tomorrow, with conflicting developments even in the past few days.

Read more at http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/hinkley-point-c-decision-expected-wednesday-edf/story-28599133-detail/story.html#q2PbBSgUtg8tSyMh.99

France gives go ahead to Hinkley Point, French minister says
Sunday 17 April 2016 12.11 BST

France will go ahead with construction of the £18bn Hinkley Point nuclear power plant in Britain and will begin agreeing technical details in the coming weeks, the French economy minister has said.
...
“Now we have to finalise the work, and especially the technical and industrial work, very closely with EDF, with the British government, to be in a situation to sign in the coming week or month.”
...
Earlier this month, the French energy minister, Ségolène Royal, said that a postponement of the Hinkley Point C nuclear power project was still under discussion.

Macron’s views also appeared at odds with the message that EDF unions took after meeting him last week, when he reportedly said he had not yet decided whether to go ahead with the nuclear plant and that a final investment decision would be taken by early May.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/17/france-go-ahead-hinkley-point-macron-andrew-marr-show

UK explores multi-billion pound free trade deal with China
By Kamal Ahmed
Economics editor
24 July 2016

...
No project better sums up how investment in major infrastructure projects is now a global issue than Hinkley Point, the £18bn plan for a new nuclear power station in Somerset backed by France's EDF energy company and one of China's main nuclear suppliers.

Mr Hammond said that the government still supported the project, and that a final agreement would be signed "hopefully over the next few days" after an EDF board meeting to agree the details.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36877573

It really was a complete surprise for the UK government to hold things up.

While renewables are delivering a quarter of UK electricity - in 2015 and the first quarter of 2016 - 35% of those renewables are biomass, rather than solar (9% of renewables over the year, and 6% in the 1st quarter of 2016) or wind (about 50%). And that biomass is largely imported wood (eg "Compared to 2015 Q1, generation from bioenergy increased by 18.0 per cent to 8.3 TWh largely due to an conversion at Drax Power Station to high-range co-firing (85 per cent to 100 per cent biomass)&quot . I'm not really convince importing ever more wood is sustainable in the long term, so it would take a huge increase in the wind generation to replace nuclear and coal by 2025. Or gas.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
6. From the article I posted
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jul 2016
At a meeting between Theresa May and French President Francois Hollande earlier this month Britain’s new prime minister was non-committal about the project, according to people present at the private talks.

NNadir

(33,472 posts)
3. Today...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

...19,000 people will die needlessly from air pollution.

A comparative risk assessment of burden of disease and injury attributable to 67 risk factors and risk factor clusters in 21 regions, 1990–2010: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2010 (Lancet 2012, 380, 2224–60: For air pollution mortality figures see Table 3, page 2238 and the text on page 2240.)

No where in this comprehensive list of the major sources of death and disability on this planet, does nuclear energy appear as a threat comparable to, say, the lack of sanitation.

The usual anti-nuke assholes will line up cheering for any and all delays on any and all nuclear plants at any and all times.

They will shout their stupid refrain that "nuclear energy is too expensive" and "it takes too long" without any explanation of the fact that using technology from the 1960's and 1970's the world built 440 nuclear power plants in countries still enjoying some of the lowest electricity rates in the world.

Their schtick is that what has already occurred is impossible. Fortunately, in better educated countries - China comes to mind - they are happily building nuclear power plants at an accelerating rate, and they don't give a shit what ignorant Westerners think.

The ignoramauses here will burn oil and coal and gas which kills every time it's used to prattle on stupidly about Fukushima and Chernobyl, while 19,000 people die each day from air pollution. They will spew hopeful fifty year old failed rhetoric about so called "renewable energy" - which is not in fact, renewable - while the world burns more and more and more and more dangerous fossil fuels. There scheme didn't work, it isn't working and it won't work, but as their indifference to the 7 million air pollution dead shows, they've never, not once, in their useless and toxic lives, been troubled by reality.

There is no hell deep enough, hot enough, cruel enough to absolve them of the consequences of their fear and ignorance. Future generations, should they survive this ignorance of their forbearers will not forgive them, nor should they.

Have a nice weekend.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
4. Nuclear Power Advocates Claim Cheap Renewable Energy Is A Bad Thing
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jul 2016
Nuclear Power Advocates Claim Cheap Renewable Energy Is A Bad Thing
BY JOE ROMM JUL 28, 2016 12:05 PM

<snip>

The transition to a carbon-free grid has begun and is unstoppable
Most people, including most opinion-makers and journalists covering energy and the environment, are not up-to-date on the “miraculous” and game-changing revolutions that have occurred just in the last couple of years with such core enabling climate solutions as solar power, wind power, LED lighting, batteries, and electric vehicles.

That’s why I launched my ongoing series “Almost Everything You Know About Climate Change Solutions Is Outdated.” As I wrote last week: If it surprises you that U.S. solar has jumped 100-fold in the last decade — and prices are now under 4 cents per kilowatt-hour — you should read this post.

I’m not going to repeat everything I’ve already written on this, especially since Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) has repeatedly made the same point, as has the International Energy Agency (IEA), as has Goldman Sachs. But I haven’t written much about Goldman Sachs’ findings yet, so here’s their core conclusion from their new July 20 report, “The Low Carbon Economy: Our Thesis In 60 CHARTS” (emphasis in original):
In a debate that is often dominated by strong views on what should or could happen in the future, we let the numbers speak for themselves. In our eyes, a relatively clear picture is emerging from the data: Select low carbon technologies are rapidly taking market share in a number of sectors and are changing the way that energy is generated, stored and consumed across the global economy.


These technologies are now at a scale and growing at a pace that they deliver carbon emission savings at the gigatonne scale, but they are also transforming the competitive dynamics in industries like lighting, power generation and autos.
Renewables, efficiency, and electrification of transport have emerged as the big winners in the race to find the most affordable, scalable, carbon-free sources for power generation and travel. Many core technologies are growing exponentially while cost and performance steadily improve.

Here is what Goldman Sachs expects to happen just over the next decade:


The result of this revolution, they conclude, is that “On our wind and solar numbers, emissions in IEA scenarios could peak as early as c.2020, rather than 2030.”...

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/07/28/3802326/nuclear-power-renewables-cheap/

bananas

(27,509 posts)
5. Yes, NNadir, us anti-nukes are all-powerful evil demons from hell.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jul 2016


The usual anti-nuke assholes will line up cheering for any and all delays on any and all nuclear plants at any and all times.

They will shout their stupid refrain that "nuclear energy is too expensive" and "it takes too long" without any explanation of the fact that using technology from the 1960's and 1970's the world built 440 nuclear power plants in countries still enjoying some of the lowest electricity rates in the world.


That's been explained many times, you don't understand it but you call us "stupid".

The ignoramauses here ... <snip>

There is no hell deep enough, hot enough, cruel enough to absolve them of the consequences of their fear and ignorance. Future generations, should they survive this ignorance of their forbearers will not forgive them, nor should they.


Yes, we are all-powerful evil demons from hell, we used our evil powers to stop Bush's godly Nuclear Rennaissance and Nuclear 2010 programs!


NNadir

(33,472 posts)
7. Wow. A true statement from an ignorant anti-nuke. That's rare.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:21 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:01 AM - Edit history (2)

"Demons from hell" perfectly describes these ignoramuses.

Nuclear energy has saved, as published in an unequivocally stated and researched paper in one of the world's most prominent scientific journals, written by one of the world's most prominent climate scientists, 1.8 million lives that otherwise would have been lost to air pollution.

Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and Columbia University Earth Institute, 2880 Broadway, New York, New York 10025, United States. Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 4889–4895)

The paper has almost continuously been on the "most read article" list in this important scientific journal since publication.

One wonders of course, how many more lives might have been saved were it not for the prattling ignorance of giggling anti-nukes with no sense of ethics or morality, but what is done cannot be undone.

If anyone doubts that fear and ignorance are powerful forces for destruction, one need only look at the Republican ticket, but of course we have very, very, very evil fear and ignorance types on our side, and regrettably, their fear and ignorance is pretty damned deadly.

Of course, the giggling "demons from hell," the dumb shits in the anti-nuke ignorance squad couldn't care less about what's in the scientific literature, because 100% of them are scientifically illiterate.

They think that it's perfectly OK for 70 million people to die every decade from air pollution because they hate the world's largest, by far, source of climate change gas free energy, nuclear energy.

They thought it was perfectly OK for the world to squander two trillion dollars in a single decade on their stupid and ignorant so called "renewable energy" scam, a scam that by the way, relies heavily on mining increasing rare and toxic metals under unbelievably environmentally and ethically appalling conditions.

The result of this squander - this on a planet where two billion people lack basic sanitation - is written in the planetary atmosphere, where the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide is now accumulating at the fastest rate ever observed:



I note that the last ten years represented at the right - 2016 will certainly blow away the worst year ever observed, 2015 - occurred at the precise time when stupid anti-nukes had their way, at blowing away two trillion dollars to do, nothing for humanity.

"Demons from hell" is in fact a rather light description of the way I personally regard the uneducated, unenlightened, dogmatic, morally vapid anti-nuke morons who have worked so hard to destroy the future for all generations that may survive their ignorance. I am proud to despise them at a level that "demons from hell" is inadequate to address, but I'll take it.

Regrettably, the world is not just. The people who are responsible for this tragedy, bourgeois brats all, will not live long enough to suffer the consequences of what they have done. They will all be dead when the ignorance of their "by 2050, 100% renewable" or "by 2100, 100% renewable" garbage will have obviated, at the expense of living things that may be on the planet in 2050 or 2100.

I have my flaws, certainly, but at least I saw through this ignorance, and while I proved powerless to stop it, just as James Hansen has proved powerless to stop it, I did what I could.

The malignant assholes who caused this tragedy, and continue to cheer for it, will giggle on, but history, should history survive, will record them through the ages for what they were, and what they are now, and, since they are illiterate, they will certainly always be. I suspect the future historians will record them in terms worse than "demons from hell."

An appreciation of the awful power of stupidity.

Have a nice weekend.

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