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Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:46 PM

How is this fair?

John Doe blacks our while girl performs act on him without his consent. Yet he is the one expelled.


http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2015/06/amhersts-version-of-kafkas-the-trial/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/megyn-kelly-lashes-out-at-amherst-college-again/article/2566431/comments
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/05/29/amherst/4t6JtKmaz7vlYSrQk5NDyJ/story.html



It is probably best men stay away from Amherst. If this is de rigueur at all universities than maybe boys should stick to trade schools.

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Cayenne Jun 2015 OP
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Response to Cayenne (Original post)

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:06 AM

1. So John Doe was intoxicated...

So at the point she performed oral sex on him, wasn't that "rape" since he couldn't give consent?

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:08 AM

2. It was a BJ

What isn't clear is was he unconscious or blotto at the time. If he was blotto wouldn't whiskey dick be an issue?

Seems like she was in control the whole time which seems to make this unfair. Amherst is unwilling to reconsider to.

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Response to Cayenne (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:21 PM

6. I know a guy who is now a registered sex offender for doing exactly what she admits to doing.

 

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i.e. Performing oral sex to a guy who wasn't able to give consent.

It isn't so much that our culture can't imagine men as victims, as that it can't imagine women as perpetrators.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:00 PM

3. Evidenly that only works one way

Like Germaine Greer says, if the dude gets an erection, it can't be rape.

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Response to Cayenne (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:48 AM

4. Sickening

The school should be libel for his remaining schooling and all student loan debt at the least

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Response to Cayenne (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:16 PM

5. It's not fair. It's the law.

 

The US DOJ expects colleges to exploit and persecute young men exactly as they have done here.

In the lawsuit, Stern argues that the texts contain evidence that make it clear the sexual encounter with Doe was consensual and initiated by Jones; that she deliberately misled the college’s investigator and the hearing board; that she was motivated to make the allegations so her roommate would not blame her for what happened; and that Doe, who was incapacitated that night, is the real victim in the case.

In the texts, which extend over several hours, Jones and the dorm counselor exchanged the following messages:

Jones: “Ohmygod, I jus[sic] did something so [expletive] stupid.”

Counselor: “What did you do?”

Jones responded that she had sex with Doe. Then she expressed concern that her roommate would find out, noting that her roommate’s friends had witnessed the start of the encounter.

The counselor’s recommendation was to blame Doe for the encounter. Her reply: “But I mean [roommate] knows me it’s pretty obvi I wasn’t an innocent bystander.’’

As she was texting with the counselor, Jones was also texting another male classmate to come to her room: “I mean I happen to have my room to myself this weekend if you wanted to come over and entertain me.”

Hours later, Jones had another text exchange with the counselor that indicated she and that classmate had sex after hours of conversation.

In an affidavit he signed in April 2014, the classmate, who turned over his text messages to Doe early last year, said he had sex that February night with Jones, who was friendly and flirtatious, and did not appear “anxious, stressed, depressed or otherwise in distress.’’


This is not a miscarriage of justice, it's policy. When I suggest the policy should change, I'm called an MRA.

If that's the definition, perhaps it shouldn't be such an insult.

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