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Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:29 AM

"Women Against Feminism" may be confusing and wrong, but it is not meaningless

If these women feel that "Feminism" is a toxic culture that judges them (I would even say some feel "slut-shamed" and is unnecessarily divisive and harsh, you would certainly be correct in saying they are mistaken and don't understand Feminism as a concept, but they are picking up SOMETHING and their reactions should not be dismissed without trying to understand them. You could also conclude that the obnoxious tone of some people on message boards and social media has drowned out the important message of equality that Feminism is supposed to be about. You could conclude that the toxic style of some people is causing this backlash by young women and no, it is probably not entirely the fault of "anti-Feminists" or MRAs.
There are lessons to be learned surely about how to get a message out there without alienating people who should be (and are in fact) allies.

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Reply "Women Against Feminism" may be confusing and wrong, but it is not meaningless (Original post)
Bonobo Jul 2014 OP
Major Nikon Jul 2014 #1
Bonobo Jul 2014 #2
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #3
Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #4
Bonobo Jul 2014 #5
Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2014 #6
Bonobo Jul 2014 #7
Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2014 #9
Major Nikon Aug 2014 #10
Joel thakkar Jul 2014 #8

Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 05:44 PM

1. Their reaction is to the anti-male bias that many feminists project

If you look at men who are anti-feminist it's pretty easy to say that their motivation comes from misogyny and in many if not most cases it undoubtedly does. It's a bit harder to pin that label on women who are anti-feminist. The vitriol that these women are facing is very telling. It's as if feminists are telling them because they are women and they are rejecting the message that feminism projects, they must be siding with the enemy. It's not that much different than the Bush style dichotomous thinking that you're either with us or against us.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 07:05 PM

2. The pattern of dichotomous conflict

In the West is key to understanding the western mind and some of its problems. Everything is war in the west. Look at medicine, a war on disease where surgery cuts out the sick parts rather than a wholistic approach. Same for the war if the sexes.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:57 PM

3. Maybe because they are told "You aren't doing feminism right" by the quote "real" feminists.

If one dares to disagree with a couple of points a "real" feminist might be pushing, they are met with "You need to be educated" or flat out told "You are not a feminist then" instead of real discussion.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 12:23 AM

4. people get incredibly hung up on labels.

I disagree, strongly, with their interpretation of what the word "Feminism" means, but it is clearly subjective AND vigorously debated even among the people who self-apply that label.

It's worth considering what someone's opinion of the word "Christian" might mean, if their only encounters with people using that label on themselves were folks of a certain sect, strain, or denomination.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 12:26 AM

5. That's a great point.

People never take kindly to being told what they are or are not.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:52 PM

6. I don't think this is a recent phenomenon

 

When I was in university the "activist" feminists always seemed infinitely more interested in attacking other women than anyone or anything else. And it turns out that many women react negatively when they're compared to prostitutes.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:47 PM

7. Yes and that is also "slut-shaming".

And coming from women, their peers, starting in school, I am sure it is much more damaging.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:21 PM

9. I seriously doubt anyone took them seriously enough to be too damaged by it

 

These ladies were on a crusade against sodomy (very specifically oral sex), they were absolutely fixated on it. Their argument was that any woman who participated in such acts with a man was merely an unpaid prostitute and damaged the standing of all women in the world.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:33 AM

8. Both Extremism is wrong

Extreme feminism is wrong...extreme women against feminism is also wrong..


It is true that women are still not getting equal rights in many areas but sometimes extremes like (male right groups, women against feminism) may reject it. Equally, Extreme feminist always blew up the magnitude of the women inequality.

At-least now there is equality on both extreme sides.

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