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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:39 AM

Small world, I found a comparison of the Lugo and Zelaya removal

the name of the author seems very familiar to me.


Lugo and Zelaya: Let the Comparisons Fly
Monday, 25 June 2012 12:35

By Marco Cáceres

Fernando Anduray of the Nationalist Party yesterday characterized the impeachment of Paraguay's President Fernando Lugo on Friday as "a simple application of the constitutional order" and not a coup d'état, as is being touted by leaders of numerous socialist governments in South America, including Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, Rafael Correa of Ecuador, and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of Argentina. Mr. Andurray is correct. By an overwhelming 39 to 4 margin, the Paraguayan Senate voted to impeach Mr. Lugo. Although the impeachment trial lasted only five hours and Mr. Lugo's lawyers were denied an adequate period of time to mount a proper defense, the Senate followed its country's Constitution to the letter of the law. Of course, given the extreme hastiness of the process, it's clear that the spirit of law may have been broken, thus leaving a huge question mark as to whether democracy has been well served in Paraguay.

It would be reasonable for an impeachment of a sitting President to go on for weeks or months... certainly, at least days. The Watergate hearings and impeachment proceedings lasted more than a year. A five-hour trial? Smells bad, and it's going to cost the Paraguayan people dearly over the next few months, as economic sanctions against the government of newly-installed President Federico Franco start to be applied by Paraguay's neighbors. President Chávez has already halted shipments of oil.

Mr. Anduray, who is a pre-candidate for the Presidency of Honduras representing the "Authentic Nationalists" movement within his party, went on to compare Mr. Lugo's impeachment to what occurred in Honduras on June 28, 2009 when President Manuel Zelaya was overthrown. "It is very similar to what happened in Honduras, only that here the process was longer; but the constitutional processes was also applied, with the exception of Manuel Zelaya Rosales' departure." Here, Mr. Anduray is roundly mistaken.

In Mr. Lugo's case, there was an impeachment trial. It may have been shoddy, but a legal process to impeach the President was followed. There was no impeachment process in the case of Mr. Zelaya. In the case of Mr. Lugo, there was due process. There was no due process in the case of Mr. Zelaya. Mel was not given even the slightest opportunity to present a case and defend himself. There was no trial. Mr. Lugo was not arrested by the military at gunpoint and expatriated against his will. Mr. Zelaya was, and everyone, even Roberto Micheletti, admits that was illegal.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:00 PM

1. Yes, Marco Caceres.

Marco Cáceres & U.S. defense/embassy complicity in privatizing Honduran education
Fri, 09/03/2010 - 17:18 — AP

The following is an email I received from a friend today, my translation. Marco Cáceres showed up to at least a couple of the think tanks I went to last year in DC, including one at the Monologue where he stood up and gave a lengthy red-faced sermon on the dangers of Zelaya's Chavista tyranny. The back story on Honduras Weekly, as I understand it, is that it formed when the reporters for the late Honduras this Week (another coup casualty) refused to back the coup. Pipe in with more details on the comments if you've got 'em.

Today I happened upon an article by the editor of the golpista digital newpaper in English Honduras Weekly, Marco Cáceres, called Radically Rethinking Education in Honduras.

I was horrified at his criminalization of the teachers' protest, to the extreme of ordering them to "[q]uit wasting time marching up and down streets threatening public order, interfering with the rights of others to go about their daily lives in peace, and provoking confrontations with security forces which are bound to be unpleasant and unfruitful" which amounts to a claim that their only reason for taking to the streets to assault and attack police officers, that peaceful and and civil protest and disobedience is violating the right of the rest to peace. You can see who this man is, and that he leads a project called "Project Honduras" at the following website: http://www.projecthonduras.com/marco1.htm.

In the description of the "development model" you can see how he refers to the population as "human capital" and that the model is based on using information and communications technology to "identify, mobilize and coordinate all the available human capital." The claim that this refers to "time, energy, expertise, experience, talent, and contacts... resources that really only have value when people become personally engaged" does not at all change the fact that he refers to the population as human capital.


What a hilariously clear example of the wingnut viewpoint -- calling the farce in Paraguay "due process". Lmao.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:35 PM

2. I don't think his politics or opinion is pertinent in anyway to Paraguay

actually and never heard of him before this morning. for some reason, someone thought he was important.

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Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:45 AM

3. Zelaya got a ride out of there on a US helicotor and likely averted death.

Lugo got to gracefully step down and then with petulance bitch about being ousted.

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