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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 10:18 PM

Release of DEA Agent Kiki Camarena’s "Murderer" Is Game Changer for CIA

@sibeledmonds: MUST READ- “Release of DEA Agent Kiki Camarena’s "Murderer" Is Game Changer for CIA” By Narco News’ Bill Conroy: http://bit.ly/13SR5Ud

@sibeledmonds: SHARE- “Narco-Trafficker Rafael Caro Quintero Knows Where All the Skeletons Are Buried in the US’ Dirty Drug War” http://bit.ly/13SR5Ud

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Reply Release of DEA Agent Kiki Camarena’s "Murderer" Is Game Changer for CIA (Original post)
MinM Aug 2013 OP
MinM Aug 2013 #1
Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #2
MinM Aug 2013 #3
MinM Aug 2013 #4
Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #8
Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #5
Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #6
MinM Aug 2013 #7

Response to MinM (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 12:02 AM

1. US 'deeply concerned' over freeing of Mexico drug lord Rafael Caro Quintero

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Response to MinM (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:25 AM

2. Kicking to read in the morning. You've given us something great to read, MinM.

Looking forward to getting to look at this material carefully. Thank you.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 15, 2013, 08:43 PM

3. Mexican journalist, Manuel Buendia, was murdered in 1984

Sibel has more on this interesting story...

Camarena brushes off Jordan’s alarm by noting that DFS is trained by the CIA and is functionally a unit in their mysterious work. And he says they are also functionally “the eyes and ears of the cartels.”



That is a stunning revelation, that the CIA and DFS were “functionally” working in unison and simultaneously the DFS also was in league with Mexico’s narco-traffickers — which at the time included Caro Quintero along with his partners Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo and Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo, considered the top dogs in Mexico’s then-dominate drug organization, The Guadalajara Cartel.

In fact, the DFS also was accused of being complicit in the kidnapping and murder of Camarena and the subsequent attempt to provide protection to Caro Quintero — who was eventually apprehended in Costa Rica after allegedly getting to that country with the help of the DFS...

...Camarena was not the only victim of DFS corruption during that era. A famous Mexican journalist, Manuel Buendia, who in the mid-1980s was investigating the connections between corrupt Mexican officials and narco-traffickers, including Caro Quintero, was murdered in 1984 allegedly with the assistance of DFS’ leadership...

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/12/release-of-dea-agent-kiki-camarenas-murderer-is-game-changer-for-cia/

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:06 PM

4. BTW Judi Lynn

It would appear that the CIA's favorite magazine did the BBC one better in the bad framing department:


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Response to MinM (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:14 PM

8. Unbelievable. This is a wildly heavy story. It needs to be completely illuminated.

Thank you for throwing more light on it for us. Clearly it's something which has to be made far more accessible.

Horrendous.

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Response to MinM (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:58 PM

5. Don't doubt any of this.

I remember this case very well, as I posted in another thread on this, as I was in Guadalajara visiting my future mother-in-law when it happened. Of course I had no freakin idea all this stuff was going on around me. (I will say that the bit in the DEA report about the family that started the University of Guadalajara is spot on. I once read the intro they wrote to the mission of that school, and it made my hairs stand on end. A real primer in how the right wing of Latin America thinks.)
But my first impression of Mexico, which I still have, is that you really don't want to get involved at all with the politics of that place if you want to actually live to a nice old age ("if you don't want to get wet, stay out of the ocean". The stories told to me by my future in-law and her daughter at that time were pretty extraordinary in themselves to a person raised in the US. My mother-in-law eventually moved to the US many years later, actually, and she was never able to adapt herself to our own culture of corruption. Pretty funny. Basically, around here, you're not supposed to be up front about trying to get out of a speeding ticket, let's say, whereas down in old Mexico you can basically negotiate the price at the time of the incident with both parties being completely nonchalant about the transaction. She always used to say, it's not that the cops here are any less corrupt, just sneakier about it, and she could never quite figure out how to get her mind wrapped around that.
Ah well. Anyway, this is pretty much how Mexico runs. It seems to have gotten a bit better over the years, but if I want a reference point as to how much it has progressed I just look over at NYC. NYC and Mexico have basically the same model of governance, and they seem to track each other far as how far along they get in making progress towards a less corrupt future. Some progress, but not much. (Those of you out of Chicago can probably relate too. Looks to be the same model there as well.)
As for the US, well that was Reagan's time, so I'm certainly not surprised they'd have been training guerrillas under the cover of the drug wars. Mexico will always have to deal with its giant neighbor up north, deal being the operative word. And the US will always, in one form or another, attempt to run Latin America according to its dictates. The rise of China and Brazil is limiting that to some extent now, but it will never go away, and the closer a place is to the US, the more it will have to deal with it. Just the way it always will be.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:05 PM

6. Just talked to my wife re this,

while walking the dog, and she just laughed about the Leanos (the family that started the university) and said there would be no way for them to afford starting a college like that without drug money.
Nothing in Mexico gets done without some form of contraband/corruption being involved. Her words.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:14 PM

7. Interesting ..

posts .. thanks for that perspective.

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