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Cha

(297,137 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:22 AM Apr 2016

Sanders Over the Edge.. by Paul Krugman~ Scorch!

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From the beginning, many and probably most liberal policy wonks were skeptical about Bernie Sanders. On many major issues — including the signature issues of his campaign, especially financial reform — he seemed to go for easy slogans over hard thinking. And his political theory of change, his waving away of limits, seemed utterly unrealistic.

Some Sanders supporters responded angrily when these concerns were raised, immediately accusing anyone expressing doubts about their hero of being corrupt if not actually criminal. But intolerance and cultishness from some of a candidate’s supporters are one thing; what about the candidate himself?

Unfortunately, in the past few days the answer has become all too clear: Mr. Sanders is starting to sound like his worst followers. Bernie is becoming a Bernie Bro.

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And then there was Wednesday’s rant about how Mrs. Clinton is not “qualified” to be president.

What probably set that off was a recent interview of Mr. Sanders by The Daily News, in which he repeatedly seemed unable to respond when pressed to go beyond his usual slogans. Mrs. Clinton, asked about that interview, was careful in her choice of words, suggesting that “he hadn’t done his homework.”

But Mr. Sanders wasn’t careful at all, declaring that what he considers Mrs. Clinton’s past sins, including her support for trade agreements and her vote to authorize the Iraq war — for which she has apologized — make her totally unfit for office
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Much More~http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo[/font]

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Sanders Over the Edge.. by Paul Krugman~ Scorch! (Original Post) Cha Apr 2016 OP
Spot on. stopbush Apr 2016 #1
Krugman is pulling no punches as they say! He's in excellent company under da bus! Cha Apr 2016 #8
K & R Iliyah Apr 2016 #2
Mahalo, Iliyah! Cha Apr 2016 #10
Got to keep the cash spigot on! yallerdawg Apr 2016 #3
Evaryone is noticing.. and also noticing how much he's outspending her Cha Apr 2016 #12
ooh ooh Can't wait to read this!! Her Sister Apr 2016 #4
OUCH! That burn has to hurt. livetohike Apr 2016 #5
Krugman didn't hold back.. Sounds exactly like he was as appalled as the rest of us by Cha Apr 2016 #17
k and r! cwydro Apr 2016 #6
Aloha, cwydro.. Cha Apr 2016 #21
K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #7
Good Morning, stonecutter! Cha Apr 2016 #22
Petulant self righteousness GusBob Apr 2016 #9
"berniebro" check Cha Apr 2016 #25
Excellent piece by Krugman. Thanks Cha still_one Apr 2016 #11
Mahalo, still_one.. kind of surprised at all these articles coming out against BS.. Cha Apr 2016 #28
I am sure his disasterious interview helped spark the media to start taking a closer look at him still_one Apr 2016 #36
That's right.. that's where it all started.. and the BSr's calling it a "hit piece" when Cha Apr 2016 #37
Bernie Has Become A Bernie Bro otohara Apr 2016 #13
#Vetting bernie.. seems to be happening fast! For so long.. nothing nothing nothing Cha Apr 2016 #31
Mahalo, Cha! rock Apr 2016 #14
Mahalo to you , rock! Cha Apr 2016 #32
I trust Paul Krugman. displacedtexan Apr 2016 #15
Krugman writes it in the NYT like we've all been thinking about bernie and his bros.. out Cha Apr 2016 #33
Yep--Sanders IS a Bernie Bro with decades on the rest of them pandr32 Apr 2016 #16
Agree! Seems his true colors are blooming... Satch59 Apr 2016 #19
You got that right! pandr32 Apr 2016 #26
Top Comment under Krugman's aritcle today, pandr.. Cha Apr 2016 #38
Wow! Greg Howard's comment there! So good! Her Sister Apr 2016 #42
omg sarae Apr 2016 #18
"Bernie is starting to sound like his WORST followers" (emphasis mine) Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #20
I think if we started following HRC Her Sister Apr 2016 #43
Hillary only voted on one trade bill CAFTA, she voted against the bill. Why does Sanders Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #23
BS doesn't care what he says as long as he's slinging mud as Hilary.. Cha Apr 2016 #45
He is not truthful and acts of theft plagues his team, trustworthy is not important to them. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #46
Krugman is, as usual, correct mcar Apr 2016 #24
K&R NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #27
The last paragraph is perfect. So, so, good! Bleacher Creature Apr 2016 #29
Read that article thanks for posting it, he's losing it...... Iamaartist Apr 2016 #30
BOOM!!!!! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #34
Yeah, and he's not the only one.. omg.. it's been like a torrent from the White House Cha Apr 2016 #35
like this article a lot! Her Sister Apr 2016 #41
K&R for the people getting off work Native Apr 2016 #39
"Sanders over the edge" was a trending topic in the Philadelphia area today. nt IamMab Apr 2016 #40
K&R Great article! SharonClark Apr 2016 #44

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
1. Spot on.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

But Krugman was thrown under the bus weeks ago. What's a BSer to do with this latest morsel of truth?

Cha

(297,137 posts)
8. Krugman is pulling no punches as they say! He's in excellent company under da bus!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016


Mahalo, stopbush~

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Got to keep the cash spigot on!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

The votes aren't there, the delegates aren't there, what else is there?

The Sanders campaign has brought out a lot of idealism and energy that the progressive movement needs. It has also, however, brought out a streak of petulant self-righteousness among some supporters. Has it brought out that streak in the candidate, too?

Cha

(297,137 posts)
12. Evaryone is noticing.. and also noticing how much he's outspending her
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

without no winning path to show for it.

Mahalo yellardawg

Cha

(297,137 posts)
17. Krugman didn't hold back.. Sounds exactly like he was as appalled as the rest of us by
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

BS' petulant bizarre behavior over the last few days.

It's a good feeling to know we're not the only ones.

livetohike~

Cha

(297,137 posts)
28. Mahalo, still_one.. kind of surprised at all these articles coming out against BS..
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

even though he deserves it. It's like what you wanted to happen and then when it finally does it seems surreal.

still_one

(92,131 posts)
36. I am sure his disasterious interview helped spark the media to start taking a closer look at him
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)

He is still pretty much given a free pass on things

Cha

(297,137 posts)
37. That's right.. that's where it all started.. and the BSr's calling it a "hit piece" when
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

they were his own words.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
32. Mahalo to you , rock!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

Krugman sounds like he was disgusted with the whole berniebro thing when he wrote that!

Cha

(297,137 posts)
33. Krugman writes it in the NYT like we've all been thinking about bernie and his bros.. out
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

of control!

pandr32

(11,578 posts)
16. Yep--Sanders IS a Bernie Bro with decades on the rest of them
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

He is well practiced at scapegoating, wagging his finger, and taking on right-wing dog whistles and smears, as well as some of their other underhanded tactics.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
19. Agree! Seems his true colors are blooming...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

Howard Fineman on msnbc said a little while ago that he's said that Bernie is not a nice person and that he was jumped on for saying that... There have been other senators/congressmen who have said he wasn't easy to work with... No surprise when your style of speaking is yelling and finger waving...it's very aggressive body language and body language comes from your heart...enough said.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
38. Top Comment under Krugman's aritcle today, pandr..
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

Alan Kestrel ??@AlanKestrel750
This is the top comment on Paul Krugman's article today.
7:22 AM - 8 Apr 2016
84 84 Retweets 114 114 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/08/chat-away-808/#comments




Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
20. "Bernie is starting to sound like his WORST followers" (emphasis mine)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

SPOT FREAKING ON.

Two things here; the fact that it was his worst followers that were referenced to. It speaks a great deal about his voters in general.

The word "followers." This is a word you use for those belonging to religious groups and cults, small and large. I don't know about any of you but I'm not a Clinton "follower" and I don't think she wants them. Every indication I've seen leads me to believe that Hillary would prefer the enthusiastic support of thinking people over zealotry.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
43. I think if we started following HRC
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

She would find it/us peculiar! Yes she is expecting we act like normal people.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
23. Hillary only voted on one trade bill CAFTA, she voted against the bill. Why does Sanders
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

continue to get this confused? He really needs to get a history lesson before the next debate, this talking point is wrong and out of date. Yes, she worked on TPP, did not agree with the final presentation, Sanders knows this but he keeps on the same talking point. It is about the truth, Bernie, your pants are on fire.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
45. BS doesn't care what he says as long as he's slinging mud as Hilary..
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:41 AM
Apr 2016

This is what a former fan of his had to say about it in the NYT..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110795830

Thank you, Thinkingabout~

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
27. K&R
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

Going to read the full article...thanks to you, Cha, I'll NEVER have lunch today!

Love that bus! They must be running out of room under it.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
29. The last paragraph is perfect. So, so, good!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

"The Sanders campaign has brought out a lot of idealism and energy that the progressive movement needs. It has also, however, brought out a streak of petulant self-righteousness among some supporters. Has it brought out that streak in the candidate, too?"

Cha

(297,137 posts)
35. Yeah, and he's not the only one.. omg.. it's been like a torrent from the White House
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

on down!

There's another one titled "Beyond the Pale, Bernie" or..

Bernie Beyond the Pale

Bernie Sanders' comment that Hillary Clinton isn't qualified to be president didn't make for a proud campaign moment.

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Sen. Bernie Sanders went beyond the pale this week by saying outright he did not think former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was qualified to be president.

His reason? He took a CNN report that the Clinton campaign was going to go hard against him and used that to incorrectly assert that Clinton was stating that Sanders is not qualified to be president. Let's be very clear: Hillary Clinton has never said any such thing. But now Sanders has gone there. But he quickly realized that this was neither a smart nor a strategically effective move for him as he tried to, kinda, sorta, walk the comment back. But he needs to do more, and so does his staff, who have doubled down on his original comments. They should completely retract their unfortunate comments and here's why.

For starters, the argument makes no sense. No matter what you think of her, no one believes that a former successful attorney in her own right, a former first lady of both Arkansas and of the United States, a former two-term senator from the great state of New York and a former successful and highly popular secretary of state is not qualified to be president. Even some of Sanders' supporters have been turned off by this over-the-line comment.

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But this week, he hit below the belt, got personal and got nasty. Not even in the most intense days of the campaign between then-Senators Clinton and Barack Obama did either of them say the other was not qualified to be president.

More..
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-questioning-clintons-qualifications-is-a-sign-of-desperation

~ workin, Thank you!

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
41. like this article a lot!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks!

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-questioning-clintons-qualifications-is-a-sign-of-desperation

Don't drag the Democratic race into the gutter.

Sen. Bernie Sanders went beyond the pale this week by saying outright he did not think former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was qualified to be president.
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