Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumDo you find the "not qualified" remark to be sexist?
I'm on the fence about that. I don't think it was intended that way, and I don't think that Sanders is a sexist person.
But I think the remark has sexist overtones, and is a remark that Bernie Bros and sexist people would applaud.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I'll bet it will be a long time before Berrrnie takes the word of one of his Amateur Hour advisors with regard to what anyone "quote-unquote" said.
If he has any brains, he feels like an effing idiot right about now.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)But I do believe that it has latent sexist undertones. I said this earlier today and was of course dumped on, but the thread where I said it ended up being locked so I'm not sure how it all would have played out.
Had Hillary been a man, I don't believe that Bernie would have reacted in quite the same full-throttle way. He might even have laughed it off dismissively or even reacted with the same class that Hillary did today when she brushed it off and returned to focusing on the Real Enemy. I certainly believe that he would have taken the time to confirm that another man had actually said such a thing.
But the very idea that Hillary, a woman, would imply - let alone say - that he, a man, was "unqualified" is something that literally set him off. He didn't "need" to confirm whether she had done it or not, it was literally "How DARE she?" and the reaction "I'll get at her for that." I'm not saying that he said anything such. But that he later explicitly included a fairly lengthy list of her "disqualifications" implies for me that his thought process was along this line.
That these would be his first reactions to Hillary also imply to me that yes, there is latent sexism, even if Bernie might still sincerely believe himself to be a champion for women's rights.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)I would like to give him the benefit of doubt, but he hasn't backed out of it.
needledriver
(836 posts)It was ill considered and hot headed, showed a callous disregard of her service and achievements, and reflected poorly on his own judgment when he voted to confirm her as Secretary of State.
But it was not sexist.
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,800 posts)it is probably welcomed by those who still deem the Oval Office to be the exclusive domain of males.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)at least that's what I think.
Native
(5,940 posts)Not bothering to read past a headline? It's like he took a page from Trump's playbook when he said, "What I just said is that she has attacked me for being unqualified. And if I am going to be attacked for being 'unqualified' I will respond in kind..."
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)His remarks. Maybe his intent was different, still he does not need to lie.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Stupid and wrong, but not sexist.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's the message we always hear--you will never be as good as a man.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)"Cackles", as used in this thread (be warned--thread is from GDP):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511675786
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)However... I believe sexism is so endemic, its manifestations are virtually invisible.
Edit to preface my rant: This is about his stated "reasons" for her being unqualified, which were all about her CHARACTER -- as evinced all over GDP.
Think about it. Racism is relatively recent as a matter of systemic prejudice. I see it as akin to tribalism. When hunter/gatherers moved and encountered other tribes, they were naturally suspicious -- these people are different, what are their intentions, will we negotiate or fight, etc.
In western cultures over the centuries since this country was "founded" (or invaded), women and Africans were both considered property. Here's the difference: The subjugation of WOMEN was systemic long before that, because all cultures included both men and women.
Apart from cultures where women bonded together or otherwise wielded power over survival (beyond themselves and their children), we've been THOUGHT OF as "other." Not the standard, and failures as competitors for that standard (that standard being "male" for so long).
Just from fairytales and kids' TV from my childhood, I remember having the idea as a little girl that boy dolls were "better." I had several sisters and no brothers, but I remember telling my mother that I wanted a Raggedy Andy doll instead of a Raggedy Anne, because boys are "better." How? I didn't know. I remember her seeming puzzled.
I could go on but... I just think somehow it's cool to stick with the winning team, especially when you're otherwise on the losing one. (Nothing irks me more than women congratulating themselves on not being feminist, or on voting against the woman in the race. Fine if they prefer another candidate, but the smug "Ain't I cool and post-all-that" gets me.) At the same time, it's somehow ingrained in us from childhood to rebel against the authority figure, and that figure tends to be a woman (mom, teacher, evil stepmother, wicked witch).
So I still think there's a self-congratulatory zeitgeist, from a heavy backlash against the feminist movement, that says "I'm so hip, I am with the MAN! The woman is EVIL!"
Surely there's also an issue about the backlash against the Clintons as Babyboomers --think of the 60s vs. 50s as a culture clash -- and how the real "establishment" HATED them to mind-bending degrees. Billions of dollars. Millions of hours. Thousands of researchers. Decades of years.
Conservatives created a new backlash in the "Young Fogies," as I call them. Now ageism rears its head against Clinton -- her ankles! her wrinkles! her grandma-ness! -- which is ironic to the hilt, to me.
Sorry for rambling. I guess I have the sense that we get a very few fast steps forward (as in the 1920s and the 1970s) and then we're hit back (the 1950s, what we've seen since the 1990s) and it's such a long hard road just to get back to where we were when we were last moving in the right direction.
People don't need a real reason for vitriol against her. There ISN'T a real reason for it. With nothing but rumors, innuendo, mischaracterizations, creative dot-following, quotes out of context and outright lies, they are CONVINCED she is the Evil Stepmother Wicked Witch and everything worse!
Sanders has exploited that, RNC's work in our own party. Yet somehow it's we who read the policy positions, weigh the records, consider the sources and seek maximum progress who are outcast as fuddy-duddy unhip "establishment."
I've seen enough to know BS when I see it.