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Walk away

(9,494 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:03 PM Apr 2016

How Hillary got Bernie Sanders where she wants him....debating qualifications!

"...Up until now, Clinton had had to play in Sanders' frame at least to some degree, making the argument that while she has the same goals (the wishlist) as Sanders, she has the practical experience to deliver and not to over-promise. The moment the debate, with Bernie Sanders' willing consent, became about qualifications (rather than a wishlist), the tables were turned. Bernie Sanders wading into a qualifications death match with Hillary Clinton will frame the national conversation in a way that makes people think of qualifications first when it comes to deciding their presidential preference.

My guess is that this is the outcome the Clinton campaign had been hoping for but never imagined in their wildest dreams would come so easily."


http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/6/the-power-of-framing-how-hillary-clinton-got-bernie-sanders-where-she-wants-him-debating-qualifications
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How Hillary got Bernie Sanders where she wants him....debating qualifications! (Original Post) Walk away Apr 2016 OP
Love me some good Rope-A-Dope. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #1
"With the press finally picking up on the dangerous lack of depth...." R B Garr Apr 2016 #2
Here in NY we take this stuff personally, lol! Her Sister Apr 2016 #4
I've noticed that, and it's great! There has been a level of sophistication to R B Garr Apr 2016 #7
Ha ha ha!! so good! Her Sister Apr 2016 #3
Yep, this will be a big issue at the next debate. WI_DEM Apr 2016 #5
And he did it to himself. What did he expect the Daily News was going to ask him? stopbush Apr 2016 #6
He burned himself LOL! Bet he doesn't do any more livetohike Apr 2016 #8

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
2. "With the press finally picking up on the dangerous lack of depth...."
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:14 PM
Apr 2016

Yes! It's about time he's being challenged on the most rudimentary process questions, especially those that comprise his ENTIRE platform. This is a very apt description of what is happening now about framing. He no longer gets to frame on his ideology only. Now come the process questions and he is out of his element. Thank you, New York!!

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
7. I've noticed that, and it's great! There has been a level of sophistication to
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

the process that is apparent from The Big Apple.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
3. Ha ha ha!! so good!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:15 PM
Apr 2016

My My My

No more. Bernie Sanders is now gearing up for a fight he cannot win, and he's using equipment he's never been good at operating. Bernie Sanders cannot win the qualifications debate against Hillary Clinton. Trying to argue that point makes him look desperate, ludicrous and plain silly. But more importantly, it knocks him out of the frame he has been trying to establish, with at least some success.

Just as saying "don't think of an elephant" cannot help but make the listener think of nothing but an elephant, saying "Hillary Clinton is not qualified" can't help but make people think of qualifications, and Hillary Clinton's strength as the qualifications candidate. Putting a "no" before a frame does not negate that frame; it reinforces it


http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/6/the-power-of-framing-how-hillary-clinton-got-bernie-sanders-where-she-wants-him-debating-qualifications

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
6. And he did it to himself. What did he expect the Daily News was going to ask him?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

Fawning, softball questions like, "from whence cometh thy impressive momentum?"

That interview was his opportunity to lay out the substance behind the talking points. The chance to show that even if he had a different prescription for fixing things, said prescription was grounded in sound research, numbers and well-considered policies.

But there is no "there" there. It's all surface-level bromides, generalized crap along the lines of "people should be nicer" and "everyone deserves a fair shake." Fine, it makes people feel good to hear that, but what does it mean?

Now - like a disorderly, spoiled child whose hand has been caught in the cookie jar - he's complaining that "that bad person made me do it" in trying to explain away the words that he spat from his mouth calling Hillary Clinton unqualified to be POTUS. Projecting his own weaknesses on another and trying to blame them for pointing out his weaknesses.

He should apologize and slink away from the campaign trail, today. He's done, Bernt to a crisp by his own playing with matches and a tank of "pure" gasoline.

livetohike

(22,140 posts)
8. He burned himself LOL! Bet he doesn't do any more
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

interviews. Someone might ask him something hard .

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