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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:18 AM Apr 2016

"Sanders comes across as a pure insurgent, entirely uninterested...

in any of the policy details his ideas would require. There is a valuable role for this kind of politician, but it's not in the White House."


There are many pertinent and pointed comments like this below the TPM article now appearing on the LBN page. I've had the same doubts about the Bern, but couldn't express them so well:
Bernie Sanders Struggles To Explain How He Would Break Up The Banks

http://forums.talkingpointsmemo.com/t/discussion-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-explain-how-he-would-break-up-the-banks/35916/8

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Well, that was a pretty dispiriting exchange. And really, it's not such a hard question: there is a long history of anti-trust enforcement that shows how to break up a large corporation. Given that this is a centerpiece of Sanders' campaign, I would have expected him to be able to talk about it, at least.

If the banks were to be broken up, the editorial board asked, what would happen to the hundreds of thousands of employees who would be affected?

How could he let a ridiculous claim like that go unchallenged? If a big bank is required to divest assets - which is all a break-up has to involve - it would do so by selling them to smaller banks. For the great majority of those "hundreds of thousands" of employees, the only thing that would change is the name on the branch office that employs them. Instead of pointing this out, Sanders retreats to blather about a stronger economy making everything all right.

Sanders comes across - not for the first time - as a pure insurgent, entirely uninterested in any of the policy details his ideas would require. There is a valuable role for this kind of politician, but it's not in the White House.


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He has been talking about breaking up the banks for how long now... and this is his response...

Reminds me of Trump talking about his wall.


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While Bernie is great at articulating the problem in a way the average person can appreciate, he is not very good at explaining how he will solve it without resort to magical incantations. Just the opposite of Hillary who is great at getting things done within but doesn't really want to change the existing reality all that much. I wish we had someone who is both a big thinker and a big doer, but they are rare and very scary. Maybe that is why we don't have giant leaders on big white horses all that often.


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If the banks were to be broken up, the editorial board asked, what would happen to the hundreds of thousands of employees who would be affected?

"What I foresee is a stronger national economy. And, in fact, a stronger economy in New York State, as well. What I foresee is a financial system which actually makes affordable loans to small and medium-size businesses," Sanders responded.

This answer is so horrifying in its cluelessness. He doesn't actually answer the question of unemployment of all those people affected. He just spits out the bromide of a supposedly stronger economy. How those people find other jobs just isn't on his radar.

And on the point of loans, he's dead wrong. I say that because I remember back in '09 banks of all stripes were NOT giving their smaller business customers loans. These businesses were furious because they needed the loans to cover things like payroll, purchases, etc. The banks flat out refused because they were holding onto every penny they could. Instead, what they did was to give these small business customers credit card lines to draw down on. The banks held onto as much cash as they could to prop up payments to shareholders. They aren't connected to the economy as a whole.


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I read the transcript and actually started to laugh! It is clear that Sen. Sanders hasn't thought out any of the details of one of his key proposals. In many ways he is a mirror image of The Donald. I'm not comparing their character. The Donald is now a vulgar, racist demagogue. Sen. Sanders is a well-meaning progressive. However, neither of them have fleshed out any of the details of their major proposals and their answers to all questions about how they will enact them are basically 'Trust me. I will get it done'.
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"Sanders comes across as a pure insurgent, entirely uninterested... (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 OP
K&R Koinos Apr 2016 #1
K & R Iliyah Apr 2016 #2
Hey, you! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #3
The comments are well worth a read... Lucinda Apr 2016 #4
My pleasure! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #5
K&R! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #6
K&R fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #7
"Reminds me of Trump talking about his wall." SunSeeker Apr 2016 #8
Watch out!...the alert swarm got an OP of mine hidden last week for pointing out just that! LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #13
Can we say NADER now? dramafree2016 Apr 2016 #9
Exactly, that's my greatest fear about the Bern... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #12
That interview is going viral NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #10
So awesome that it came unexpectedly from the NYDN! He wanted them to endorse him.. Cha Apr 2016 #11
It deserves to travel to every corner the cybersphere, and the Bern Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #14
Excellent OP! brer cat Apr 2016 #15
Love that toon! LOL! "Miracle" just about nails it! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #19
Finally receiving the scrutiny his "plans" deserve! livetohike Apr 2016 #16
On Morning Joe, the whole panel just eviscerated him... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #17
Thanks for posting this. I haven't had Morning Joe in this morning. livetohike Apr 2016 #18
Pleasure! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #20
Weee! Thanking for posting this!! LOts of goodies there! Her Sister Apr 2016 #21
Bernie Sanders is going to get Mexico to pay to break up the big banks! CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #22
Sounds like a plan...LOL! Better shoot that idea off Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #23
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
12. Exactly, that's my greatest fear about the Bern...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:10 AM
Apr 2016

I'm afraid the clamor of the crowds has gone to his head.

He's begun to imagine himself with his hand on that Torah on Jan. 20th, 2017, and kinda likes the idea.

He won't bow out gracefully.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
10. That interview is going viral
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:46 AM
Apr 2016

Even people in the media are appalled. I HOPE it causes people to see Bernie as he really is: clueless and incompetent; just a poseur.

Cha

(297,164 posts)
11. So awesome that it came unexpectedly from the NYDN! He wanted them to endorse him..
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:00 AM
Apr 2016

turns out they wanted serious answers if he expected that.. it wasn't to be a Chris Hayes interview.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
14. It deserves to travel to every corner the cybersphere, and the Bern
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:16 AM
Apr 2016

deserves every mocking response that comes his way.

livetohike

(22,140 posts)
16. Finally receiving the scrutiny his "plans" deserve!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

Plans is in quotes because plans includes steps to achieve goals. He has no plans.

Let the hammering begin.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
17. On Morning Joe, the whole panel just eviscerated him...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:42 AM
Apr 2016

Paraphrase:

By this late stage in the primary process, the fact that he can't answer questions about his core precepts does NOT augur well, and is basically unacceptable.
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
21. Weee! Thanking for posting this!! LOts of goodies there!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

Also I like the list of links they provide to other articles!

Ahh can we say "Viral"

HRC GROUP READY!

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
22. Bernie Sanders is going to get Mexico to pay to break up the big banks!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

Because his proposal is as viable as Trump's wall is, so why not just use the same funding source?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
23. Sounds like a plan...LOL! Better shoot that idea off
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

to the Sanders campaign right away so he can fit it into his next stump speech.

Might interject a little something new. Otherwise he's SO damn predictable.

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