Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumLooks Like The Liberal Media Has Decided It's Time To Take Off The Gloves i.e.: Bernie
Last night's MSNBC attack on Bernie seemed to me to be a case of reporters who have been talking among themselves and holding back their negative feelings about Bernie deciding that the time had come to come down on him, and hard.
Tuesday night, Rachel Maddow got bent horribly out of shape after Tad Devine floated the ridiculous idea earlier in the day that Bernie lost all of the states to Hillary after NH because Bernie hadn't really competed for those states. Rachel took that claim as a personal affront to the reporting she did on her show at the time of those contests, reporting that showed in no uncertain terms that Bernie had invested much more time and money into those losing efforts than had Hillary. She even called for Devine to walk back those claims. It was a stark dressing down of the Sanders Campaign from a person who has been one of Bernie's most vocal and visible cheerleaders on TV.
Yesterday, Rachel interviewed Bernie for about 30 minutes. A main topic of discussion was Trump's saying that women needed to be punished for having an abortion. While Bernie talked at some length about how ridiculous and offensive such an idea was, he made the rather YUGE gaffe of saying in so many words that he'd rather talk about his usual stump speech talking points.
Now, in the past, Rachel would have let that pass and moved along to the talking points without comment. Yesterday, she moved along, but saved her comments until the post-mortem whereby she, Chuck Toad, Tweets and Kornacki dissected the interviews that had just taken place. This gave Rachel a forum to contrast Bernie's remarks to Hillary's on the subject of abortion, and even though Bernie did advance the standard pro-abortion line, Rachel decided to pick up on his "let's talk about something else" remarks and try to make news of them, which she did. By the end of the post mortem, Toad was opining that Bernie "bought" the election results in NH and would need to buy the election results in Wi as well (by spending 6 times what Hillary is spending in Wi and what she had spent in NH).
Seen in the context of Rachel's very negative reaction to Tad Devine's claims on Tuesday, it's clear to me that these former Bernie-friendly reporters have decided the party is over for Sanders, because his hapless campaign guru decided to unwittingly crap all over their reporting in an effort to spin some very bad losses Bernie suffered after NH.
Going forward, expect MSNBC to take everything coming out of the Sanders campaign with a YUGE grain of salt and an equally YUGE amount of aggressive questioning.
Popcorn, anyone?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)strips his positions and show what a phony politician he is.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I'll stay with the Democratic Party.
Thank god for the Super Delegate firewall. It prevents the Dem Party from being destroyed the same way the Koch's Teaparty destroyed the GOP.
pandr32
(11,562 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He needs to be exposed as the destroyer of the democratic party and vetted by showing the outrageous tax burden that all of his rainbow pony plans will impose on working class people!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)His holier than thou attitude is sickening to say the least.
He has been laying the ills of the world at Hillary's feet. Most unfair.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)so can't really comment on your summary. I do thank you for it, however.
But I agree that it would be nice to see the media actually doing their jobs in re Bernie, as in discussing exactly what accomplishments to benefit ordinary citizens he has to show for his many LONG years in DC, as well as in his life before politics.
Of course, it would also be nice if the MSM would do their jobs in this respect w/r/t Trump, Cruz, and Kasich as they seem to be the only ones left standing on the GOP side.
Instead, it seems as if ALL scrutiny is directed towards Hillary and the bias - until recently - has been uniformly negative. And that is one of the kindest things that can be said about it.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)These are the same people who have convinced themselves Bernie is being ignored by the media, when a simple fact check shows that he's had more in-person interviews on Sunday shows than any of the other candidates on either side. If the media now starts asking factual questions, and pressures him to actually answer their questions instead of repeating his stump speech, they're going to go berserk.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)last month in that interview they did. BS looked like he was going to pop a blood vessel. He got very defensive and the voice got very edgy as well. Tweets backed off - maybe he felt he was going to cause a heart attack.
I would love for one of these reporters to ask him a simple question: when do you realistically envision your plans for tuition-free public colleges to go into effect considering Congress will need to pass legislation to enact your policy?
If he's honest, he'll say "three to four years," which I imagine many of his college-age supporters who think that they'll get to stop paying tuition on Jan 20, 2017 will find to be to be very, very disillusioning.
If he says "a year or so," well, that's the green light to ask the follow-up question: how in the hell are you going to do that with a Congress that opposes everything?
LiberalFighter
(50,795 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Even if Sanders were King, the Federal Govt wouldn't be able to accomplish free college w/o states going along with it.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)for his program to be funded. It's one of the glaringly ridiculous points of his plan that will never happen.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)Hes just a cranky old guy, its his rabid supporters that turned me off. Many Sanders people are reasonable and will vote blue no matter who, but the others are as bad as Trump supporters.
Cha
(296,881 posts)to stop disingenuously demonizing Hillary.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Squeaky clean, no for from the truth, just an easy trail.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)they'll be back in the Bernie camp when it benefits them.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)was disappointed in the idea of going after Superdelegates, wondering if that is ethical and whether BS supporters are on board with that. She sounds very disappointed in that idea.
I do remember at the beginning of the year how she used to go on and on and on about BS' campaign and offices all over in different States including the South. She sounded amazed about it. It was kinda peculiar at the time. So it makes sense that this point was important to her and that it did not gel with TD saying they had no competed in the Southern States.
The abortion gaffe was just another disappointment. So obvious BS pivoting to "same and same".
OH forgot: then the fact of BS' no interest in helping down the ballot! Another disappointment!
Things we have been saying here!....
HRC GROUP
stopbush
(24,393 posts)because they knew he was up against the Hillary juggernaut, but they hoped that somehow his "pure" message would prevail, and he would miraculously wrest the pledged delegates from her and have a real shot at winning the supers at the convention. It would have been the fulfillment of a lifelong belief that if ONLY a pure liberal candidate was available, people of every stripe would support them.
Alas, it turns out that career back-bencher Sanders is no better than - and is, in fact, a lot worse than - the run-of-the-mill politician. He was able to maintain the masquerade until his campaign hit NV, where it was made clear that his victory in NH was a fluke, not a foretelling of victories to come. Once he hit that wall, the writing was upon the same. He started going negative, starting talking about ways he could win the nomination outside of following the rules he agreed to, as well as abandoning his self-proclaimed principles to run a different kind of campaign.
All that's left now is the post mortem on why and how he failed.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)You need to be careful what you ask for.