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Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:01 PM

The Petition for WA State superdelegates to go with the vote is self-sabotage at it's finest.

There have been some rumblings that the WA super-delegate delegation should go with Sanders. This is incredibly short-sighted because it ignores the implications of such a move. It would not be in Sander's interest because he needs the super delegates to put him over the top and he has lost (will lose) large states will high superdelegate totals.

If super-delegates were to act like pledged delegates, as of today Hillary Clinton, would gain by 260 while Sanders would gain 134, increasing her lead by 126 delegates. This would put Sanders in a more precarious position than he was yesterday and increase Clinton's already commanding delegate lead.

Not to mention, it ignores what could be perilous outcomes in NY, PA, MD, DE, and CT. All upcoming closed primaries in states with more diverse populations, Clinton territory basically. 114 superdelegates, on top of the pledged delegates, would be award to the winner of those contests. She could win NY by 1% and still get 44 more delegates. She'd gain 26 delegates from the even split in IL.

I highly doubt that the Sanders' campaign will latch themselves on to this because it will not benefit Sanders in the slightest to go into May/June behind by 374 pledged superdelegates PLUS whatever Clinton's delegate margin is.

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Reply The Petition for WA State superdelegates to go with the vote is self-sabotage at it's finest. (Original post)
SaschaHM Mar 2016 OP
lunamagica Mar 2016 #1
stopbush Mar 2016 #2
CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #5
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #3
CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #4
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #6
SharonClark Mar 2016 #7
Her Sister Mar 2016 #8

Response to SaschaHM (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:04 PM

1. Right. #It'sTheMath. eom

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Response to SaschaHM (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:15 PM

2. Considering Sanders has only 27 super delegates at this point

he would gain super delegates were they alloted based on whether the candidate won the state in the primary. While that might give Sanders supporters a feel-good second or two, it would still not get him to the number needed to win the nomination. It would also negate what is his only chance left in hell, ie: convincing super delegates currently committed to Hillary to realign themselves with him. They won't be able to do that if the right to commit to a candidate has been taken away from them.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:15 PM

5. Sanders needs to be asked, and held to give an answer, on whether super-delegates should follow

 

their voters or his advice. Because they can't do both without a tonne of hypocrisy going on.

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Response to SaschaHM (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:45 PM

3. Super delegates are not tied to the vote or caucus results, bottom line.

This is not the purpose of the super delegates and all the petitions is not going to change their purpose.

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Response to SaschaHM (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:13 PM

4. The new rules only apply in states Sanders won. SDs in states he lost are supposed to ignore voters.

 

No one making this argument is trying to add 260 delegates to Clinton's total, we all know that much.

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Response to CalvinballPro (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:01 PM

6. Bernie supporters don't understand this.

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Response to SaschaHM (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:07 PM

7. Clueless

Super delegates have earned their vote based on their service and loyalty to the Democratic Party. A concept some Sanders supporters don't understand.

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Response to SaschaHM (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:57 PM

8. Superdelegates are super Democrats!

 

Committed to the party and party's goals for the nation. They are there for Democrats past, present and future. They think local and national. Most also know the candidates.

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