This.. "Why Democrats didn’t feel the Bern"

[Cha]

this has been my contention from the start..

snip//

But the Sanders challenge was doomed by a fatal flaw: Democrats aren’t as unhappy as he needed them to be

snip//

“Everybody says people are angry, but that’s not really the case,” said Frank Newport, the head of Gallup. Americans “are not going through their lives seething and kicking the cat.” The anger “is a very particular anger, and it varies depending on which party is in power,” Newport told me. “People filter a lot through who’s president.”

snip//

On the Republican side this year, anger at the Obama administration makes Donald Trump’s insurgency possible — just as in 2008, anger at the Bush administration’s Iraq blunder made possible Barack Obama’s challenge to Clinton. Sanders would likely have fared better this year if there were an incumbent Republican administration. But as a protest candidate, he’s campaigning against the existing order — and much of that order is a two-term Democratic president who is very popular among the Democrats Sanders needed to win.

snip//

This left Sanders in the position of sparking a “revolution,” as he put it, among a group that isn’t nearly as negative about the government as the overall electorate. And to campaign against the status quo he inevitably had to be critical of Obama — who enjoys the support of more than 85 percent of Democrats and more than 90 percent of African Americans.

snip//

But Obama isn’t just popular among black Democrats. He’s popular among all Democrats — and contentment with the guy in charge is a weak basis for a revolution."

Please read it all.. I put some of my favorite snips in but there's more~ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-democrats-didnt-feel-the-bern/2016/03/01/f95c25f0-dff4-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

ismnotwasm http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6757

Random...





Hillary was the President's first choice for his SOS and they've had a well respected relationship since then.




sheshe~


[font color=blue]Hillary's Group~Mahalo~

[Lucinda]

1. Good points! Thankie Cha.

[Cha]

2. Yes, Finally someone writing for a big paper is bringing up what many of us were saying

about sanders dissing the President and Hillary for liking President Obama.. It's not going to fly.

“You know Hillary Clinton now is trying to embrace the president as closely as she possibly can,” a frustrated Sanders told BET in February. “Everything the president does is wonderful. .?.?. And we know what that’s about. That’s trying to win support from the African American community where the president is enormously popular.”

sanders must have forgot that Hillary was Obama's SOS and they had a great relationship.

Mahalo Lucinda!

[Lucinda]

5. He seems to have forgotten a lot of things on the campaign trail

It will be interesting to see what happens with him....once he steps down.

[YCHDT]

8. He said this on BET?! wow!! Sanders is in a bubble if he still thinks this. He's not being told he's

bucket naked by people who are around him

[Cha]

25. Yes, he's just arrogant enough to do that.. make that claim that is so false against SOS

Hillary Clinton.

Thank you, YCHDT

[sheshe2]

76. Yes,

This statement bothered me. He seems woefully ignorant of the friendship they had built out of mutual respect. They settled their differences a long time ago.

[Cha]

77. Thank you, she! Now I hear he's out in Michigan and one of his surrogates said

President Obama doesn't care about jobs.. in Michigan where he saved the auto industry!

[stonecutter357]

3. K&R!

[Cha]

27. Good Morning, stonecutter!

[NanceGreggs]

4. I just had this argument with some friends ...

... a few hours ago.

What I said was: "It always boils down to the same thing. Bernie’s entire campaign was premised on the idea of tapping into this incredible anger that Americans feel towards the gov’t, “The Establishment”, etc., and the truth is that incredible anger just isn’t there. That anger was going to be the fuel that propelled him into the presidency – and it’s not as plentiful a commodity as he envisioned it was."

I'll have to follow-up by sending them this link.

[Lucinda]

6. I'll take love and kindness over anger any day.

[Cha]

50. For real, Lucinda~

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks to an enthusiastic crowd at a rally in a film studio in Miami Tuesday.

[Cha]

9. Incredible timing, Nance. This article says it.. "fatal flaw" and all. Most Americans are happy

with President Obama.. they for some unknown reason know the reality of what's been accomplished and how much progress he's made.

They know the obstruction he's had and what he accomplished in spite of that.

Ah yes, the "establishment".. too bad Obama has made so much progress fighting against the repubs who are the real enemy. They're running against him.. it wasn't too smart for a Democratic candidate to run against the Popular Dem President.

I am so grateful that all the propaganda pushed against this President from both sides didn't take hold with the American people.. talk about smart.

I hope your friends understand this.

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[YCHDT]

7. Yes Sir, this was a huge tactical mistake for Bernie Sanders staff to think a proxy run AGAINST

Obama (who is a part of the establishment) would resonate among people who love, like and are endeared to him and Bill Clinton.

[Cha]

28. Well, sanders has been doing it thoughout Obama's presidency and even calling for him

to be primaried in 2012.. just more of the same hogwash.

[riversedge]

10. Sanders is forever yelling how angry Americans are in his speeches!! I suspect that

in some cases --it you listen long enough, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy !!!!





......“You know Hillary Clinton now is trying to embrace the president as closely as she possibly can,” a frustrated Sanders told BET in February. “Everything the president does is wonderful. .?.?. And we know what that’s about. That’s trying to win support from the African American community where the president is enormously popular.”

But Obama isn’t just popular among black Democrats. He’s popular among all Democrats — and contentment with the guy in charge is a weak basis for a revolution. .........................

[Cha]

11. But, his yelling it isn't making it so, rivers.. it must really frustrate him.

[NastyRiffraff]

103. I think we're going to see more frustration

and anger in the coming weeks from Sanders. He really really believes he can pull this off, but beware the Ides of March!

Mahalo Cha!

[Cha]

104. Yeah, he thought he was going to win Nevada and Massachusetts, too.. that didn't happen.

Thank you, Riff! yes you!

[lamp_shade]

12. He nailed it: "Democrats aren’t as unhappy as he needed them to be"

I've watched as my BIL, a mature, intelligent, caring and once-reasonable man, transition from an not-unexpected "angry" republican to a hate-filled and ANGST-filled fear monger.

angst - noun - a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general. Synonyms: anxiety, fear, apprehension, worry, foreboding, trepidation, malaise, disquiet, disquietude, unease, uneasiness.

I trashed GD-P the day it was introduced and the Bernie group shortly thereafter. I still see a lot of Hillary bashing in Videos and in LBN, so I'm not fully protected, but... yikes... there appears to be a small herd (or maybe a large herd?) of Bernie people who have transitioned from "anger" to full-blown "angst". It's hard to see how these folks will be able to support Hillary when the time comes. It'll be interesting to watch.

[Cha]

14. A "fatal flaw" in his strategy, lamp_shade. Even though I hear he's out there on the

Campaign Trail trying to make it so. President Obama has just done so much good that he can't erase that.

Just desserts for someone who wanted Obama primaried in 2012.

Sorry about your BIL .. it would be a frustrating place to be in. Life is about so much more.

And, that is why I trashed the BS group and don't go into gdp much except to K&$ a friend's post who still does.





rivers~http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=62253

[King_Klonopin]

13. I like him because he appeals to my sense of justice, what is right, common good

not because he appeals to my sense of anger. I am not alone in this.

Anger belongs to The Donald.

[Cha]

15. BS is promoting anger. I've heard it again and again. He's not telling the whole story about

President Obama, either. .. he conveniently leaves that out.

The OP is dead on.

FYI you're in Hillary's Group.

[King_Klonopin]

18. So I'm really angry, but just don't know it ?

Maybe you are politically spinning and don't know it ?

[Cha]

19. Did I say that? No. I said sanders is promoting it by not telling the whole story about

President Obama.. and telling things about Hillary that just aren't so.

[riversedge]

16. Lucky 13 REC

[Cha]

20. I love the number 13.. I was born on the 13th so I figure it's a lucky #.

Mahalo rivers!

[gmoles]

17. I can guess your age

I am a young American, and I am angry. I have 60k in student loans from a state university that was designed to be free for state residents like me. I had a scholarship that was cancelled in 2008 after the economic collapse ruined the economy and the budgets of the UC system. I had to take a loan from one of the banks that was responsible for the crash that caused my scholarship to be cancelled, to finish college. I couldn't find a job for over 18 months. Interest on my loans has almost doubled the principle.

If you have had a long career, sitting on nice social security check or spouses income or pension...yeah, I bet you're not angry.

If you are like me, you have already been screwed. You look at the system and see its inequity. You look at the big banks that increased their power and wealth from a crash they made. You look at a future and see it very hard to be hopeful unless there are some serious fundamental changes.

You are old and you sat by on your nice paychecks while the system got more and more corrupt.

I am young. I am really really angry. I am fighting for my life and America's future.

[Cha]

21. No, you can't.. you're wrong.. you have no idea about me.. and it's a little arrogant

for you to assume.

President Obama has built an excellent legacy with so much progress. You have to realize where we were in 2008. sanders doesn't acknowledge that and he says things about Hillary that just aren't so.

We're fighting for a real future where Hillary builds on the President's legacy and builds one of her own. The President and Hillary do much more than just talk about it.. they get it done.

[Number23]

117. Can I say something? I just read this big, massive OP whine about you. Oh, the humanity!!

The wailing! The gnashing! The rendering of garments because you blocked somebody from this forum.

Hundreds of responses and even more recs. And all of that and nobody bothered to notice that the OP, the person you blocked from this forum, the source of all the wailing and "oh, you poor thing! That Cha is the WORST!11", had been tombstoned for being a troll.

I. Am. DYING!!!!!!!

[Cha]

118. I'm Dying, too, 23!

LOL ROFL! I bet it was funny.. "the gnashing, the wailing!".. I'm not reading it, though.. but I definitely get the humor.. especially that things turned out the way I wanted them to!

[JustAnotherGen]

119. He was PPR'd

[Cha]

121. I know, Gen.. Mahlao!

[livetohike]

22. You know who is old AND frustrated? Bernie. His anger is

with himself. He is an old 60's radical who is looking back at his years when he was young and idealistic and wishing for the good old days. He is stuck in the 60's. He has not evolved with the times. He is divisive and not intelligent enough to realize that Democrats like OUR President. His arrogance will be his downfall.

[Chico Man]

23. No one forced you to take a loan

I'm certain you had other options.

We are hiring fresh college students every day.

It all depends on your perspective.

I recently paid off my student loan and I don't feel victimized.

[Trust Buster]

26. I don't take out $60,000 loans and blame my decision on everyone else. I hope you don't do that

with your first mortgage. Life doesn't work that way.

[Thinkingabout]

35. Good thought, mortgages last for a long time, thirty years, we had very

High interest at one time but we got the loans. Social security is based on thirty five years, angry, no, just have to work through it and be happy we have opportunities.

[marcopolo63]

29. I'm with you gmoles, to a degree...

While I am not young and paid off my student loans 25 years ago - I get it. Hillary is a status quo candidate in an era where more of the same just won't work! I can't think of one detailed proposal she has made that will make any difference in the lives of more than just a few Americans, and to say that she will be a "change-maker" for the positive belies her career of limited success. And for every real meaningful accomplishment she has been a part of - she has almost to a "T" backtracked on her positions or done complete 360 degree reversals - e.g. mortgage lending, juvenile crime, welfare to name a few.

I fully supported Hillary early in the 2008 campaign because I believed we needed her strength to correct the damage the Bush/Cheney years had inflicted on our country, and I just thought Obama's time was still to come. But now - after 8 good years and some positive change, we need more than the same old stuff. We need new and some old but creative ideas to move forward, and Hillary just isn't the change agent she may have once been. She definitely has the "stuff" to be President, and clearly wants to be President. But I question if she has what it takes to win this election, and if she does (and I will certainly support her if she is nominated), I am not convinced she has what it takes to be a good President.

In Hillary we will just have to consider ourselves surprised if and when she does the right and progressive things that can move America forward, and dare to try bold actions to truly take the U.S. to a better, safer, more healthy and happy place! With Bernie - we know what the plan is and can see there's A Future to Believe In!! With Hillary - it a "Hope and Change" 2016 redux that I fear may be more of the same old, in the face of a Trump/Racist/Bigot onslaught that America hasn't seen in 100+ years. My biggest fear is that Hillary 2016 just won't be enough to overcome what the fright wing will throw at her in this election cycle, but if we don't support her as the nominee, despite her flaws and imperfections, are you OK with the alternative or dark side winning?

[Cha]

37. "A future to believe in".. then why is sanders not giving the whole picture of President Obama's

accomplishments and how bad it was when Obama took office in 2008.

If he wants people to believe in the future... he has to start with the past and present.

[FighttheFuture]

70. Why is it Bernie's job to pitch for Obama's legacy?

Obama, a centrist pro business/fiance friendly democrat and Bernie, the left/opposite, aren't exactly simpatico.

While Obama accomplished many good things, despite Republican's, he also has some nasty stains on him. Remember when he was trying to strike the "grand bargain" on Entitlements and Social Security with his buddy's Pete Peterson and that reform commission in 2009- 2010? This would have led to cuts in these foundational programs that benefit so many Americans. Thank God the R's hated him so much they would not negotiate with him. Then there's TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) still hanging around like Shelob in her lair. We will see how that goes, especially in the Lame duck session.

So only time will really tell the overall benefit of his Presidency.

[Cha]

72. Why doesn't BS have the deceny to give the whole picture? Obama is our

popular accomplished President and BS is getting nowhere running against him.

that's what the republicons are doing and they're going nowhere either.

[Tarheel_Dem]

96. BS doesn't have "to pitch" anything for Obama AFAIC. As a matter of fact, I hope he & his surrogates

keep doing exactly what they and YOU have been doing. Keep attacking the guy with a 90% approval among AA's, 85% approval among Liberal Democrats; the very folks BS is trying to woo. Don't change a thing, cuz everything is going according to plan.

[Thinkingabout]

39. Sorry you feel this way about the most qualified candidate running

Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:54 AM - Edit history (1)

Yes she has changed some of her positions, so has Sanders. Just a reminder you are in the Hilary group, it is not a forum, pleas do not come here to disparage Hillary, those comments are for forums as gd-p.

[Cha]

42. Thank you, Thinkingabout!

[Colorado Rambler]

108. I am surprised by the number of negative responses to gmole's post

I seldom post here myself, but I am much in agreement with gmole. My generation (I'm 64) was able to get a good education at a state supported school that charged in state tuition. I worked part time, got a couple of scholarships and had the good fortune of having a father who could afford to chip in with my education bills. I can't imagine what it must be like for today's young people, just starting out and already saddled with a huge debt from college loans. There is no excuse for this situation. My family is originally from Appalachia - we were Kentucky hillbillies - but my grandparents decided that their children (including my Dad) deserved a better shot at life than working the coal mines. They moved down to Bluegrass Country, bought a small farm and off the procedes of a small family farm, they were able to put every last one of their 6 children through the University of Kentucky at the height of the Depression. How did they pull this off? UK had free tuition for in state residents during that time in our country's history. Now if a poverty ridden state like Kentucky pulled this off, there's no reason why state schools today couldn't do something similar. Yep, taxes would have to go up. The Republicans would scream like bloody murder, but what's new? This country needs to start investing in its most precious resource - the American people - especially its YOUNG people.

I don't support Bernie over Hillary because I'm some battle scarred old war horse, disappointed at my own lack of carpe diem. I am a battle scarred activist - been an activist all my life, and I've never hesitated to speak out and take action when I see some wrong being committed. Hillary is just another professional politician who can make backroom deals with the best of them. I foresee little to no change under a Hillary administration. Yeah, I'd vote for her over Trump, but that's a pretty low bar to meet. Bernie is willing to take on the heavy duty stuff like the rapid climate change which is beginning to destroy our planet; the undue influence of the upper 1% on the governance of the rest of us in the lower 99%; income inequality; the prison industrial complex and all the rest. So Bernie will have my complete support up to the Democratic Convention and if Hillary wins, then so be it. Trump represents a very dark, chilling tide that seems to be rising in our nation, and he needs to be stopped. Hillary is the lesser of the two evils.

[William769]

30. You don't know how damn lucky you are to be young right now.

Hell, your generation has had it the easiest it's ever been. Your just angry because your silver spoon isn't golden.

You want to see what hard is? Look at generations past.

[giftedgirl77]

32. Oh good I'm not the only one that thought this was nonsense.

[William769]

33. You're not.

[Treant]

38. You aren't.

Complete nonsense, no. Federal college loans should probably be at no interest or exceptionally low interest just as an incentive to pay it (we're talking a floor of 0.5%, depending on the prime rate). College costs really do need considerable tinkering.

[giftedgirl77]

40. I'm not disagreeing that the cost is too high

but the doom & gloom "I'm fighting for my life" is nonsense.

[Treant]

45. Exactly

I've fought for my life. Owing money is, by comparison, not exactly the same thing...unless it's to a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy...

[Cha]

48. Really, thank you, William~

[giftedgirl77]

31. Hyperbole much.

You don't know the first thing about fighting for your life.

[stonecutter357]

44. you need a financial advisor not a politician.

[BlueCaliDem]

60. Hah!

[treestar]

90. Nailed it!

[NastyRiffraff]

102. Hee hee

Good one!

[Fla Dem]

51. You posted an anti-Hillary screed in the Hillary forum.

Wow. I would have voted for Hillary and encouraged friends to, until this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280133381#post12

Perhaps you didn't realize that both the Bernie and Hillary Group forums are safe havens for their supporters and anti HRC/BS postings are not allowed. THAT's why you were banned, just like over 250 HRC supporters have been banned from the Bernie group. But you whine about your financial situation and then ridiculed a DU member who you assumed was sitting pretty with a Huuuggggeee social security check just rolling in every month with not a care in the world.

"You are old and you sat by on your nice paychecks while the system got more and more corrupt."

How dare you assume to know her situation.

The financial situation President Obama inherited from the Bush administration had the country on the brink of a depression. He and his administration turned the financial health of the country around.

Debt free state college education has been a long standing HRC position. Your post was insulting and rude. Guess that $60k education didn't teach you manners.

College
The New College Compact:
Costs won’t be a barrier, debt won’t hold you back.
Hillary will:
-Ensure no student has to borrow to pay for tuition, books, or fees to attend a four-year public college in their state.
-Enable Americans with existing student loan debt to refinance at current rates.
-Hold colleges and universities accountable for controlling costs and making tuition affordable.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

If all it took was one incident on a political forum to make you change you mind on who you are going to vote for, tells me you don't give deep thought to your convictions. Perhaps deeper thought before you incurred $60k in debt would have been in order.

[GusBob]

55. I dont think Bernie Sanders will solve this posters problems eom

[SunSeeker]

99. Great post. Thanks, Fla Dem.

And the irony is he ran off to the BS Group to whine about how he now can't respond to Hillary Group posts, yet he attacked Cha knowing she can't respond to him there.

[Cha]

100. Mahalo, Fla Dem.. Nice to get back online to!

Totally nailed it!

[GusBob]

54. Let me give you some friendly advice for your next job interview

1. Drop the anger. You have yet to see people with real problems

2. Drop the negativity. You are bathing in it and employers can sense that

3. Stop blaming your problems on other people. You own the mistakes you have made

4. Never, ever, ever make assumptions about people as you did right off the bat here. Its a kill switch.

5. Don't just turn your phone off. Leave it out of the interview room.

[Haveadream]

93. If your worst problem

is paying back loans on having a college education, you are very fortunate indeed. If financial problems are the biggest thing you have to worry about, you have advantages many Hillary voters do not. You make enormous presumptions about the people who support her. And, I am one of her supporters who happens to be very angry. I too am sick and tired of the status quo. The burdens I carry, I can assure you, are very heavy indeed. I support her for the same reasons I support Obama. They speak to and are making a difference in the problems that matter to me.

You said:

"If you are like me, you have already been screwed. You look at the system and see its inequity.... You look at a future and see it very hard to be hopeful unless there are some serious fundamental changes."

Preaching to the choir.

[Ellen Forradalom]

101. This summer

I took my son on a day trip to World War I sites around Ypres, Belgium. We visited Tyne Cot and several other war grave sites. Thousands upon thousands of graves, thousands upon thousands of names of the dead whose remains were never found. All young men. That's fighting for your life.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

123. My great uncle is buried there.

He was 21 and his name was Harry.

His life for his country, his soul to God.

Voormezeele Cemetery, Ypres, Belgium. August 19th 1917.

I have other relatives buried in other WW1 cemeteries.

[Ellen Forradalom]

124. My condolences.

So close and yet so far. Being a young man wasn't always about video games and student loans.

[DemonGoddess]

24. K&R!

[Cha]

41. Thank you, DemonGoddess!

[betsuni]

34. K&R!

[Cha]

47. Thank you, betsuni!

[ucrdem]

36. Soooo true.

Bernies mad-as-heck shtick appeals to a very particular outlook that never got over some imagined disappointment back in oh, 2007 or so and requires a steady diet of RW fare to sustain. One we all known and love LOL. And that's all I'm gonna say about that!

[Cha]

49. It's working for trump.. it's easy for him.. his fans think Obama was born in Kenyan.

not so much, BS.. Dems love the President.. and the President loves Hillary.

Mahalo ucr!

[NurseJackie]

43. This is GREAT ... FANTASTIC!!

[Cha]

56. Isn't?! I thought so.. I hear he's out there in Michigan now running against President Obama

Larry Cohen who introduced BS said Obama doesn't care about jobs.

Mahalo Jackie!

[NurseJackie]

58. Someone should tell Bernie's campaign that he's not running against Obama ...

... or not. Never mind. (Please proceed, Senator.)

[Cha]

61. lol.. or not. good grief! It's like the freaking Twilight Zone. It's not

as if anything he says is even true.

So bizarre.. and we're living it right now.

[ismnotwasm]

46. K&R

[Cha]

59. Mahalo, ism.. for the article!

Did you see I you and linked to yours?

[BooScout]

52. I agree!

I am not angry enough! Sure the Repukes piss me off...BUT, I really like President Obama and all he has done! IMHO he doesn't get near enough credit for what he has managed to achieve with the asshole Republicans trying to block his every move.

Great read Cha! And I love the pics!

[Cha]

63. That's what Hillary says, too, Boo.. President Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves..

It will be the same for her.. the M$M will try to drag her down and cover up the accomplishments on their never ending quest for a repub in the Oval Office.

He especially doesn't get it from BS.. quite the opposite.

Mahalo!

[mcar]

53. K&R

[Cha]

64. Thank you, mcar~

[yallerdawg]

57. We want more!

You want change?

Wouldn't that be a Republican in the White House?

[Cha]

66. Exactly, yallerdawg.. they have their priorities screwed up.

Mahalo

[great white snark]

62. Did anyone warn BS that if he f%@ked with Obama an entire nation would f&%k with him?

The back & forth with Hillary is expected in a heated primary but when a month old Dem attacks a popular sitting Dem President that is inexcusable. It's disrespectful. He lost any respect from me and I imagine from a lot of my fellow countrymen & women.

Well suffice it to say I agree wholeheartedly Cha. Excellent post!

[Cha]

69. I think it's inexcusable, too, snark! I'm seething mad about it.. glad to see there's

kindred spirits here.

There's no excuse for it.. it's not even based on reality.. No way is President Obama going to allow for his legacy to be sullied by the likes of that.

Wonder if he ever regrets campaigning for sanders in 2006?

Thank you!

[sheshe2]

85. Everything you said times 1000.

So good to see you great white snark

[great white snark]

86. Hi sheshe2.

Having served under Dubya and having fought in his illegal war I was so proud and relieved to serve under my Commander in Chief President Barak Obama. He will always be my President and I will never make any apologies for being overprotective. I know we share in that protectiveness.

[Iliyah]

65. K & R

Attacks on a sitting Democratic Party's President is a bad idea.

[Cha]

73. Yeah, whose votes is he going for?

Thank you, Iiyah!

[DesertRat]

67. K&R

[Cha]

75. I like your sig line!

Thank you, DesertRat~

[DesertRat]

94. .

[Her Sister]

68. Haha! We are more than happy with steady forward progress!

Good article:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval_among_democrats-1046.html#polls

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121199/obama-weekly-job-approval-demographic-groups.aspx

[Cha]

78. Thank you for those links, Her Sister! Run bernie run!

[Her Sister]

79. you're welcome! they came from the article

[Cha]

80. Good!

I missed 'em.

[George II]

71. There are so many reasons why Democrats aren't feeling the "Bern", across the entire spectrum.....

....of the American demographic.

And as pointed out, the average American isn't as unhappy and possibly bitter as Sanders expected.

Thanks.

[Her Sister]

81. we are unhappy ----but with the republicans!!

we know what Obama has had to put up with. This is just so clear!!!!

[lunamagica]

74. K&R. Good points! Thank you, Cha!

[Cha]

84. Gracias Lunamagica!

[LonePirate]

82. I think the real number of Dems who support Obama is higher than what the article cites.

It is very tough to find a Democrat outside of DU who doesn't love Obama, especially given the congressional blockade he has faced since 2011.

[UtahLib]

83. Despicable tactic backfiring - The more he attempts to spread his personal animosity for

President Obama in the pursuit of his own ambitions, the weaker he becomes.

[Cha]

88. Well said! "The more he attempts to spread his personal animosity for

President Obama in the pursuit of his own ambitions, the weaker he becomes."

Thank you, Utah!

[sheshe2]

87. K&R

Thank you for this Op, Cha. Most excellent! Sad that Bernie just doesn't get it.

[Cha]

106. Aloha, she!

Not only doesn't he get it .. he's 180 degrees from not getting it.

Mahalo to you for the pic.. it's perfect for this compelling explanation of why the Dems aren't feelin' the big ol bern.

[Gothmog]

89. The attacks by Sanders and his supporters on President Obama played a role in my support

There are good reasons why many voters including some African American voters are not supporting Sanders. I believe that one major difference explains one of the big divides between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters as to their views concerning President Obama and his record. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting many African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.

I personally am proud that President Obama is our POTUS and I do not want to abandon his legacy. This viewpoint explains why many good Democrats are not supporting Sanders including many African American voters. Sanders' legacy in the civil rights movement is nice but does not overcome this concern.

[DesertRat]

91. Well said!

[Cha]

107. Thank you for this Gothmog. The President has accomplished so much in 7 years with

unprecedented obstruction. Something sanders fails to mention in his diatribes against Obama.

So much Progress.. and good solid foundations. Hillary will only build on that and create her own legacy.

[Gothmog]

115. I am not willing to throw away President Obama's legacy

President Obama has accomplished a great deal. I live in the real world and so I know how difficult it is to get things done

[Cha]

116. Yeah, the real world.. an important place for actually making progress!

[Gothmog]

122. Living in Texas, one has to live in the real world

[taught_me_patience]

92. Why so mad?

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[Cha]

127. Mahalo, taught_me_patience..

[book_worm]

97. Absolutely!

[Cha]

109. Mahalo book_worm!

[Politicub]

98. This articles gives me the feels

[Cha]

112. I'm feelin' that article so much, Politicub!

[Tarheel_Dem]

105. This piece speaks to my own feelings. You can't put together a ragtag bunch of Obama haters, and....

call it "a revolution". There's nothing revolutionary about hate. I even found myself hating BS, and his surrogates because of the hatred they spewed toward the president. I think I'm finally moving back to indifference where they're concerned, but I could never have supported BS.

[Cha]

114. Really! Isn't it funny how he got all the ODSrs out there.. surrogating for him..

Unreal.. you cannot make up this shite!

Worst campaign message EVER!

Tarheel

[Loki]

110. I never felt the "Bern"

he reminded me too much of that cranky old man McCain. I was a 60's radical, a SDS member on my college campus, I too was once idealistic, but it never changed me into the people that have become the lazy, middle class repukes that I met during my last reunion. Hell, even my 98 year old mother is still as radical a Democrat as she was when she first voted for FDR. She can't stand Bernie, and I can't print the name she called him. She was a feminist and an activist before I was born, my father and his brothers were active in the labor movement. You misjudge me if you think these little punks will be able to intimidate me with their smears, lies, threats, lazy straw man arguments and innuendo because I've already seen it many times over. Karl Rove learned it at Lee Atwater's knee, and I got to experience Rat Fucking up close and personal during the CREEP takeover of the choosing of delegates to the Missouri convention for the 1972 election. Yeah, they may think they are tough, idealistic and know what's right for everyone. But, they haven't been where I've been, and they never will. Goodbye BS, you will just be another shadow in the long line has been candidates. The sooner you leave, the better off we will be.

[treestar]

111. K&R

love the bottom photo

[Cha]

125. Yes, I do, too, treestar.. love your sig pc.. this is what the Obamas think of the

"bern"












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[Hekate]

113. You mean we don't hate Obama and his former SOS? Imagine that. nt

[Cha]

126. Noooo.. in spite of all the unprecedented hate coming at them and getting blamed for everything

President Obama and Hillary are more popular than ever.. and their supporters couldn't be happier!



Mahalo Hekate~

[DemonGoddess]

120. K&R!