Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumSanders new found support for the republican witch hunt
against Hillary,especially after her stunning smack down at the Benghazi hearings,isn't going to play well with the democratic base.Mark my words,his campaign has made a serious miscalculation.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-hillary-email-215548
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)How can anyone claim to be a democrat (Bernie? see my siggy) then dogpile on Hillary with Trey Gowdy and the republican witch hunting committee?
riversedge
(70,092 posts)Sanders says--hey OK--unimpeded. whow.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Hillary Supporters showing their natural colors ho hum, nothing to see here he gives her a boost then she attacks him. Seems only fair
Cha
(296,875 posts)emails.
There's the "bullies" you're bringing up.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)...not to fight dirty. Sanders just lost all claim to either the moral high ground or superior honesty and sincerity.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)1 What promise did he reneg on?
2 How is he fighting dirty?
3 What is so egregious that Bernie can never again claim moral high ground, honesty, and sincerity.
Talk about out exaggerations!
Nitram
(22,768 posts)2. He supports the present GOP initiated and GOP-led investigation of Banghazi that has proved to be entirely political.
3. He reneged on his promise not to go negative, he is giving aid and support to the enemy, flip-flopped following a very well-received "we're tired of the emails" statement. Or else he made that statement to draw further attention to the issues, which would be worse.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There's only one group and one politician here showing their natural color--yellow. Believe me, Sanders just took a nosedive into the spiral jetty of suck. Absolutely no one cared about this issue, and his resurrecting it again just makes him look petty.
No wonder no one in the CPC wants anything to do with endorsing him. He must be a real peach to work with.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)welp...that just said it all.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Ugh. X(
Walk away
(9,494 posts)more important than Hillary's emails and how bad that they are distracting from his same old Blah Blah Blah!
She gamed him with a hand shake and a smile. He is not known as a particularly generous person by the people he works with. And he's a little slow when he isn't talking about his same old Bernie Blah Blah Blah.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)He's an independent who found it convenient to play one for the election. He will go back to being an independent when he if officially eliminated from the race.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)nt
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)its weasly!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)of course.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)than a 'tonal shift" But I think his new pollster has miscalculated---!!!
Sanders, in tonal shift, backs investigation of Clinton emails
By Nick Gass
11/05/15 07:34 AM EST
In his most explicit critique of Hillary Clinton's email controversy to date, Democratic presidential rival Bernie Sanders told The Wall Street Journal that if the former secretary of state skirted public-records requests or compromised classified information, concerns about the issue are "valid questions."
Asked whether he regretted his remark that the American people are sick of hearing about her "damn emails" during the last debate, Sanders said in the Wednesday interview that he did not and that the investigation should "proceed unimpeded."
You get 12 seconds to say these things, the senator explained. Theres an investigation going on right now. I did not say, End the investigation. Thats silly." ...
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-hillary-email-215548#ixzz3qcw91Kqj
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I guess Bernie's weathervane met a strong republican wind eh?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)desperation!
Cha
(296,875 posts)Sanders does this at his own peril. He becomes one of 'them.'
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)SunSeeker
(51,520 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Throw away your halo St. Bernie, its ever so tarnished now.
Cha
(296,875 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Cha,
Cha
(296,875 posts)Is there any wonder why?!
Thank you, BlueCali, backatcha!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)That's why
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)minds about them. I don't see anything new here.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)--courageous --to lots of things now.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)You know we will see it in the General Election. Bernie is really helping HRC hone her messages, while at the same time getting some air time from the corporate media for progressive ideas. This is a brilliant campaign strategy. The only way the corporate creeps would allow any progressive idea air time is to use these ideas against Hillary. Perhaps I should not put that out there or the corporate toads will stop even that little bit of truth to air. This is going to make HRC a steamroller to crush the GOP next fall.
Go Hillary!
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Cha
(296,875 posts)argue with BS fans. there's the whole rest of the board for that.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)you haven't noticed yet.
William769
(55,144 posts)Don't you agree what is it now 3 years and 12 investigations that it's pretty much beating a dead horse now?
William769
(55,144 posts)Have a nice day.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)given the many things they are willing to give her a pass on -- warmongering, anti-singlepayer, etc, etc, etc, surely she shouldn't be bothered with investigations whether reasonably warranted or not.
Cha
(296,875 posts)so there's no "warmongering".
William769
(55,144 posts)There have already been numerous investigations to no avail. They don't like the outcome, they start another one. That's a witch hunt.
Have a Great Hillary day!
Duval
(4,280 posts)If there is nothing there there, what's the problem? If there is, we need to know. What is downright silly is this flipping fight between Bernie and Hillary supporters. Really, guys, we want a Democrat in the White House. I believe Bernie has time to make his voice heard in the next several months. People like his message. But, I'll vote for Hillary should she become the nominee.
SunSeeker
(51,520 posts)And after EIGHT investigations have dug up nothing on Hillary, you see "no problem" in continuing this expensive, divisive witch hunt? Really? Most Dems disagree with you.
Cha
(296,875 posts)SunSeeker
(51,520 posts)All have cleared Hillary. This is now a witch hunt. Period.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)I get that actually.
What I also get: a years-long GOP-led investigation of a Democrat should drag on. I REALLY get that.
A regular maverick, that one
mcar
(42,278 posts)Especially after his debate statement.
William769
(55,144 posts)Wasn't it his wife that said he wasn't running to win but to get his agenda out there? I wonder how his supporters feel about that.
Cha
(296,875 posts)http://news.gnom.es/news/being-married-to-bernie
She musta been asleep.. Bernie isn't setting shite..
How fighting income inequality became Obamas driving force
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-fighting-income-inequality-became-obamas-driving-force/2012/11/23/ab375434-3256-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story.html
Obama: Climate change a 2012 issue
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/04/obama-climate-change-will-be-a-campaign-issue-075590
Rose Siding
#berniesopure
William769
(55,144 posts)Dishonest.
Cha
(296,875 posts)Unless they all think they're coated with teflon.
Nobody in that crowd wants to give President Obama any credit.. and now they're supporting the rwinger's craven email witchhunt against Hillary!?
Tad must have seen the poll numbers and unlike their fans took them seriously enough to try something desperate.
Remember Bernie.. "everyone's tired of hearing about the damn emails!"
It was reported that Bernie meant to diss Hillary at the debate with that email line.. but, Hillary thanked him for it and turned it around. LOL
Course his fans wouldn't hear of that.. #berniesopure
msrizzo
(796 posts)Anyone who fact checks or contradicts them is branded a Hillary shill. The media likes controversy and they also like it when other politicians take pot shots at Hillary. But that's going to wear as thin as all the other poop they like so sling and it won't get them anywhere.
Aren't we not allowed to bring up Jane on this forum? I thought that was verboten.
Cha
(296,875 posts)William769
(55,144 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)I had tacked this HP article on a thread out there but will X-post it here also
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=768482
47. Huff Post: Guess he's not sick and tired of talking about her damn emails after all.-Flip flopper
So now that Hillary's poll numbers are up and Sanders are stagnant--Bernie evolves into a big FLIP-FLOPPER.
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_563ac204e4b0307f2cac16ef?utm_hp_ref=politics
Bernie Sanders: Hillary Clinton's Emails Deserve Scrutiny
Guess he's not sick and tired of talking about her damn emails after all.
Marina Fang
Posted: 11/04/2015 10:43 PM EST
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who declared during last month's Democratic presidential debate that "the American people are sick and tired" of hearing about Hillary Clinton's private email account, on Wednesday defended a federal probe into the matter and said it should continue.
You get 12 seconds to say these things, Sanders told The Wall Street Journal, referring to his comments at the debate. Theres an investigation going on right now. I did not say, End the investigation. Thats silly. ... Let the investigation proceed unimpeded.
In one of the most memorable moments of the debate, Sanders chided the media for focusing on Clinton's email scandal instead of substantive policy issues.......
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)to pay for those programs. Talking about the damn emails is not going to get votes for Sanders. We see how always remaining the same and never changing but flip flops are allowed. He is behind in the polls, now he is going to go the RW way, not going to change my vote.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)in tune with the RW--dissing on her character now....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/bernie-sanders-email-hillary-clinton/index.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-sanders-campaigns-spar-over-email-reversal-n458126
riversedge
(70,092 posts)Here is another one from DK that I had tacked on a thread out there but will X-post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=768545
51. WTF!! Flip Flopper Bernie Sanders wants #Benghazi Committee to continue witch hunt
Tweet:
WTF!! Flip Flopper Bernie Sanders wants #Benghazi Committee to continue witch hunt http://bit.ly/1SqvRE1 #p2 #Hillary16 #uniteblue
Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:31 PM PST
Sanders wants Benghazi Committee to continue witch hunt
by
brooklynbadboy
When things were looking promising, Sanders, who clearly speaks for the American people, 'was tired of hearing her damn email.' Welp, here is what the desperation of a campaign facing broad rejection in 49 states will bring about:
On the issue of Mrs. Clintons emails, Mr. Sanders didnt say he regretted his debate remarks. You get 12 seconds to say these things, he said of the debate setting. Theres an investigation going on right now. I did not say, End the investigation. Thats silly
Let the investigation proceed unimpeded.
.................................Not sure if email is the way to go, but I suppose the goal is here is to sew doubt about Clinton's electability, a perfectly fair point of contention. But Sanders will have to amplify this attack with ads without an assist from the GOP and Trey Gowdy. There is already early signs the GOP intends to do just that considering Donald Trump:
Trump said other candidates werent even allowed to talk up against Clinton, adding that Sanders totally destroyed his campaign by not focusing on the email issue and is now just wasting his time.
...
When Sanders gave up the emails, I said Hes dead, thats the end of him, Trump said. It was a great soundbite for about three minutes, for three seconds, they clapped for about three seconds.
Tad Devine agrees! Good on the Sanders Campaign for getting tougher. More aggression. More...........................
The Clinton Campaign, I suspect, wont rest on its laurels but will hit back at the time and place of its choosing. Winning big in 49 states gives them that luxury. But make no mistake, hit back they must. ..................
Lets get Bernie Sanders aligned with Donald Trump and Trey Gowdy. EXCELLENT!....................
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Just enough to point out his hypocrisy and flip-flopping.
They're ahead in the polls in all but one State, so it would be 'punching down', and Americans don't like that.
However...Martin O'Malley can be useful here.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)I do not they should make a special effort to hit back. But if opportunity arises or if asked--no doubt Hillary will be prepared.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Now that Sanders is bringing up her e-mails again in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, no less, as he tries to sow seeds of doubt that there might be something there, the statement made by Mark Halperin looks to be true. He claimed that Bernie's so-called "defense" of Hillary Clinton and the e-mail non-scandal ("we're tired of hearing about your damn e-mails" was a rehearsed line, and that he was supposed to use to vilify her. But clever Lady that she is, she quickly turned it around to her benefit.
Sanders doesn't have the temperament to be president, and he isn't all too swift on his feet, either - unless it's for stomping off stages when he's confronted with people who question and upset him, that is.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And it will be at Bernie Sanders' expense. (Thus building an even more formidable Clinton-O'Malley ticket, if that's what she decides to do.)
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Very real possibility.
relayerbob
(6,537 posts)And based on what he says and does, I think he is running for VP more than President anyway. Would be a strong ticket.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)come down to strong on Hillary at times (IMHO).
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)katmille
(213 posts)A Texas Hispanic who is NOT a Republican! That could be huge! Or YYUUUUUGE!
GusBob
(7,286 posts)and some of the Democrats over there agree with Trump....
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)said that there was an investigation currently underway and that it should be allowed to play out, and that because of this it is not necessary for the total of our political discussions in the media to be laser focused on the email issue at the expense of discussing other issues important to the American people. Not difficult to discern IF YOU PAY ATTENTION.
I can clearly see the problem Clinton supporters have with Bernie now. They are simply incapable of ever hearing and comprehending accurately the entirety of his statements.
Cha
(296,875 posts)hearings on emails.. he wants it to continue.
BFD.
relayerbob
(6,537 posts)but this was a major flip-flop. Yes I heard him speak out of both sides of his mouth on it the first time, he would've been smarter to just let it go.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Knew it would happen. Just didn't know when.
Schock
(13 posts)IMO.
modestybl
(458 posts)... what did you want a senator to say - shut down an ongoing FBI investigation? Of course there are valid questions... its just that the Repub crowd isn't asking any of them, just trying to push a made-up story - and saying that the emails were taking up way too much public discourse oxygen isn't the same as saying ignore the email situation (beyond HRCs emails, apparently) altogether.
Notice how the headline was Sanders changing the "tone" - nothing of substance.
This is a non-story. The press is trying to bait the candidates into a skirmish as a distraction away from some large outstanding issues... and the Clinton people are running with it... just like HRC's profound dishonesty in implying that Sanders is a misogynist.
Really, for someone who is the "prohibitive frontrunner, HRC and company are behaving like a campaign on the ropes.
Cha
(296,875 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)johnp3907
(3,730 posts)"Favorite group: Hillary Clinton,"
Isn't there a word for people like that?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Yep, there is a word for people like that.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Not a smart political move
zalinda
(5,621 posts)doesn't any one have critical thinking? He wanted to talk issues at the debate, not about the damn emails. And, here is the very simple reason...........the investigation by the FBI isn't finished. He never said stop the investigation. He said stop the TALK about the emails, because the public doesn't want to hear any more of it. At this point, everything said about her emails are speculation.
I have yet to see a Clinton supporter talk about issues, but they sure do know how to twist an innocent statement. Hillary has learned her lesson from Slick Willie, she never says anything definitively, it's all wiggle words.
Z
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)members? You really don't have any clue what you're talking about.
SunSeeker
(51,520 posts)And since you have "yet to see a Clinton supporter talk about the issues" try this subthread (seems to me it's the Sanders supporter avoiding the issue there):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=759878
Indeed, Sanders himself appears to be avoiding issues. He just announced he was delaying his promised speech on socialism until after the next Democratic debate.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism-speech/index.html
Sounds like Bernie is listening to that new pollster he hired.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Otherwise it's nuanced. It does give credence to the theory that his line at the debate was not meant as magnanimously as it has been widely interpreted.
I'm not quite sure why you think he wanted to discuss issues in the debate but not to the Wall Street Journal. Interesting that he chose to make his point to the leading GOP paper in the country.
Gothmog
(144,943 posts)I am disappointed in Sanders but not surprised
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)RW set up "to bring her poll numbers down".
While 8 months of 24/7 media blast about nothing but Hillarys emails, bernie was out there stumping, appearing on as many talk shows as he could find, & building his most viscious hate driven social media push.
Fringe groups & republicans alike piled on to take down the capable, confident, Hillary Clinton.
While her "poll #'s were being taken down" bernie lived in the lap of love as a purfied messiah.
He was all over the place , pulled in million$ in donations from the clueless cult, shouting the message they all needed to hear.
He was somebody!
Well, until the email/benghazi horse he rode in on trotted off & disappeared over the distant horizon.
So now, here stands bernie, whistling for his gift horse that brought him more fame & fortune than he'd ever known and was ever prepared to handle.
Brrnie was never meant for more than a brief fling with celebrity.
He has no credible skills to lead a nation, much less successfully stand face to face against the fragile & smoldering powder keg of foreign policy decisions.
He rode in on the coattails of the RW Rovian Hillary hate machine pushed by Boehner & Team Gowdy.
It was a lie, & rather be the hero in red tights & cape, the freedom fighting revolutionary he claims to be, & speak out against the unjustice of the RW in this case of pure smear, Bernie Sanders revives the lies of Gowdy in hopes of breathing life into his sputtering campaign where #feelingtheburn has taken on a new meaning.
If the only way to revive his campaign is to rehydrate the RW smear campaign againt Hillary Clinton, then he's shown what a conniving, mealy mouth fraud he has been all along
He is no progressive, no Dem, no liberal working for the good of humanity, regardless of what called himself as his campaign moved along.
Bernie is an Indy with very few friends DC.
He holds no loyalty to anyone but Bernie.
He has now exposed his truest of colors.
He is willing to serve to the benefit of the lowest in DC, RW Rovian Team Gowdy, if it just ceases the choking last breaths of his dying dream.
Hillary meanwhile, stood strong & alone & single handedly broke the RW smear campaign "to pieces".
She has well earned her right to be our 1st woman President of the USA.
Sincerely,
A Super Fan of a Super Star
HRC 2016
Reptilublican
(14 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It wasn't supposed to be supportive.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Polling shows that most Americans don't even know what the 'Email Scandal' is about. It really doesn't mean anything to people who don't watch Foox Nuues. 12 Seconds wasn't enough time to adapt a Republican Strategy? As President 12 Seconds may be all the time you have to make critical decisions.
And now Benghazi? These are the "issues" that Sanders supporters want to talk about? Is this part of the new "persuasion" strategy? If he keeps this up the only persuading he will do is convince the DNC to pull the plug on him.
None of this makes any sense.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...that Bradley undermined Al Gore in 2000, helping make the later election close enough for Chimpy to steal.
tishaLA
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Sanders new found support for the republican witch hunt
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Bernie bashing, nothing of substance...
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Cha
(296,875 posts)standards.
Thank you, tisha~
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)sheshe2
(83,660 posts)BainsBane
(53,016 posts)It would seem.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)What a weakling. I just lost the last shred of respect for this man.
Cha
(296,875 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)"Tad must have seen the poll numbers and unlike their fans took them seriously enough to try something desperate."
I know it will backfire, agreed. It really shows a lack of character though. I thought he was supposed to be talking about socialism and getting his ideas out in front of people, does he honestly think the places where he polls the weakest are going to give the smallest rats ass about this?
Cha
(296,875 posts)to have gotten better over the years.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)He should be talking about things that reinforce the message of his ad. He just flushed $2 million down the toilet, because I can guarantee the news cycle is going to focus on the one thing he said today about emailgate.
Cha
(296,875 posts)wasting more tax payers money on the dead egate
SunSeeker
(51,520 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)another X-post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1252145
54. CBS: Sanders does about-face on Clinton's private email controversy
Sanders flip flop gets around.....
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sanders-does-about-face-on-clintons-private-email-controversy/
By Rebecca Shabad CBS News November 5, 2015, 10:49 AM
Sanders does about-face on Clinton's private email controversy
Sen. Bernie Sanders is shifting away from comments he made about Hillary Clinton's personal email account at the first Democratic presidential debate when he said voters are "sick and tired" hearing about her "damn emails." ...................
SunSeeker
(51,520 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Imagine the candidate for the Democratic nomination's strategy session: Do we use the RW email attack or slip in some socialism?
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Gloria
(17,663 posts)after I read a profile of him...
He's as uncompromising as the hard right....a pure full of himself idealogue..
He needs to get hammered....
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Shouldn't Bernie go jump in the Clown Car and take off with his fellow travelers???????