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Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:32 AM

Gee I Wonder Why Bernie is Rising?

According to the latest census:

Whitest States in the United States

New Hampshire - 96% White - Number 4 on the list.

Iowa - 91% White - Number 5 on the list.

Then there is this:

According to Gallup polling published Monday(August 10th), the former secretary of state's favorability rating among black Americans was 80%, a 57-point margin over Sanders, whose approval among the group was 23%.


A survey of Hispanic voters conducted last month for Noticias Univisión found that 73% would vote for Clinton in the Democratic primary. Some of that is a some Hispanics don't yet know much about Sanders but in 2008 Obama lost the Latino vote by 26 points to Clinton.

So while Bernie fans are going and the media's hatred for Hillary grows on a daily basis, I will become alarmed when I see Bernie leading in a representative state. Until then I follow the lead of Timbuk 3 in their song "The Future So Bright I gotta wear shades."







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Response to Tommy2Tone (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:46 AM

1. This is why I keep saying Sanders' support has plateaued

Without significant minority support, he cannot go much higher, if at all.

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Response to Gman (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:58 AM

2. I think the telling number is he is not getting Hillary supporters

Something like only 2% favored Bernie because they were unhappy with Hillary. He has to get more of the "anyone but Hillary" bunch to get the nomination.

Look at 2008 when Obama won the nomination because he crushed her with black voters. That ain't happening with Bernie.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:08 PM

3. This has been BS challenge since the beginning

He definitely CAN win, but he must start to build a broader coalition.

I do think his heart is in the right place, but so far, a number of unforced errors (two BLM interactions, Urban League speech and one to a Latino group shortly thereafter, taking back BLM apology) followed by...... not much of note keeps me skeptical.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:23 PM

4. Sanders is campaigning as the anti-establishment candidate but his popularity is with

the white, male, middle-class, who is feeling the pinch from the recession and the Bush years. (Not all, but that is his rising demographic appeal.)

The Obama coalition, which is now the HRC coalition, is a mix of genders, races, and orientations--all people who have been locked out of the middle-class, for various reasons, or vote to support out of solidarity with these groups. We've already felt the pinches and have further down to go if the right-wing wins.

I don't see Sanders' supporters making inroads with the Obama/HRC coalition, with their message of suddenly getting on the clue train about how bad the economy can be and how it sucks to make less money. We already knew that.

We also know that accidental pregnancies can also make you poor, not being hired/promoted for being Black can make you poor, being fired for being LGBT can also make you poor, and lots of other stuff. Please, let me sing you the song of my people.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:37 PM

6. He's the anti-Establishment Establishment candidate.

Regardless of the claims of his devotees, he has largely been silent on race and gender issues. If he were all that he is claimed to be, his name should have been on the lips of every lgbt person in the US during the witch-hunts of the 70's and the plague years when it seemed we would lose almost a generation of our young men. Every First Nations person should have heard him advocating for us during the siege at Wounded Knee. Why has he voted to give our sacred lands to foreign corporations instead? Why didn't he march with Cesar Chavez and La Raza? Why is he still "Bernie Who?" to women of color, whose access to health care is doubly restricted?

Let me sing you the song of my people, Senator.. It will be a war chant.

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Response to okasha (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:43 PM

7. "He's the anti-Establishment Establishment candidate."

So apt! I might have to borrow that.

Right? Where has he been? I'd heard of him because I run around in left-labor circles, but as far as any of the other issues on the table--where has the passionate advocacy been? Where are his videos and bills?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:51 PM

8. Feel free to borrow. You have my blessing!

Ted Kennedy was called the Old Lion of the Senate because the world heard him roar. Bernie's the mouse who mewed.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:29 PM

9. "We've already felt the pinches and have further down to go if the right-wing wins. "

This is what BS supporters fail to grasp. As a community, we know hard times. It's been said by others that when White America gets a cold, Black America gets the flu. My question is, before the downturn, how many of BS' supporters gave a shit about "income inequality"?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:44 PM

10. Excellent points all, Tarheel_Dem

I remember a discussion I had with 1SB about four months ago? about how many (not all, but a lot) of the posters who were laser-focused on deep state/Greenwald/Snowdon issues, suddenly turned on a dime and were rah-rah all about "income inequality" when the primaries started up. I really haven't figured out what that is all about, really. I don't focus on security state NSA issues because it is not even on my list of things to worry about in life.

I don't remember many of these posters talking about economic deprivation before the downturn either. Some of these posters I don't even remember from the Bush years. Who are these people?

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:37 PM

5. It's an expected outcome

Hillary herself has said she didn't think this campaign was going to be easy in the first place--and we've long expected Sanders to do well in New Hampshire and Iowa, in fact it would be more surprising if he didn't.

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