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DeepModem Mom

(38,402 posts)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:19 PM Aug 2015

Bernie Sanders's biggest problem, in one sentence: (HILLARY GROUP)

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(Let me preface this post by repeating, here and for any lurkers, that Bernie is one of my Senators and I like and support him, except as our Presidential nominee. This article addresses one of the reasons I support Hillary for President.)

People get more pragmatic the closer they get to an actual vote.

That comes from Joe Trippi, who managed Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign. In an interview with the Washington Post's Chris Cillizza, Trippi lays out a few reasons he thinks the road forward for Sanders is even harder than it was for Dean, including the fact that Hillary Clinton has the Democratic establishment locked down in a way none of Dean's opponents ever did.

But it's really that point about pragmatism that's most important. As Trippi says, "We drew large crowds and lots of energy but there was always a fear among the party establishment that we couldn’t beat Bush. In the end those kinds of doubts always move voters back towards the establishment’s candidate."

This is a dynamic that early polls miss. At some point, Democrats are going to watch Republicans coalescing around a candidate who can actually win — a Jeb Bush or a Marco Rubio or a Scott Walker. And they're going to imagine that Republican nominating the next Supreme Court justice, or deciding whether to go to war with Iran. And they're going to get scared. And then they're going to look for the Democrat who they think can win.

The challenge for Bernie Sanders — and it's a big challenge — is he needs to convince Democrats that the country that elected George W. Bush will elect a Vermont socialist. He needs to convince them that when the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson begin dumping money into the election, he'll be able to withstand their assault, despite his decision to forgo any kind of Super PAC support. As of today, few Democrats believe he can win the Democratic nomination, much less the general election.

Democrats aren't particularly inspired by Hillary Clinton. But they tend to trust that she can win a street fight with Republicans. To win, Sanders needs to convince them that they're wrong — about her electability as well as his....

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9145091/bernie-sanders-problem via Vox

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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Simplly based on the fact there are currently 118 current members of Congress and 15 former members
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:44 PM
Aug 2015

of Congress endorsing Hillary, these are people who have worked with Bernie in Congress, it tells me they do not have confidence in Bernie and his ability to be president. If this was a mixed bag of endorsements for both candidates, perhaps I would have a different view. Hillary is on top of the issues put forth by Bernie, and has added others. Our problems are more than economic problems, much more. The voter suppression put forth by GOP members in different states is a big problem, women getting a fair shake on wages would help the major number of households, gun control is a big problem in the US, the list goes on further than these.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
4. Yes, great points, Thinkingabout~ The Congressional Reps and Senators who have worked with
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 12:22 AM
Aug 2015

Bernie know what he's capable of and they want Hillary for President.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Among those endorsing Clinton is Sanders' fellow DEMOCRATIC Senator Patrick Leahy, and...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 05:25 PM
Aug 2015

....among the non-congressional endorsers are current DEMOCRATIC Governor of Vermont and current DEMOCRATIC Mayor of Burlington! Not to mention former DEMOCRATIC Governor of Vermont, Howard Dean.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Yes, there are more governors and state representatives but to say you have worked in a group
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 06:01 PM
Aug 2015

For Twenty Five years and no one has endorsed you is leaving doubt in my mind.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. I guess if she dresses up like a "cheerleader" people will get excited - LOL
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 01:01 PM
Aug 2015

They seem to tell me I'm not excited about HRC candidacy which is total horse sh**t. Stop with the bulls**t already.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. I don't want a President who "excites" me, I want one who has demonstrated that she...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 05:27 PM
Aug 2015

....can get things done and work with Congress - members of BOTH parties.

Unfortunately Sanders hasn't shown much ability to work with either side of Congress.

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