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Mon May 2, 2016, 10:15 AM

Shakesville: Sanders says he's "entitled" to superdelegates. Oh.

How many times have you read this election season that it's Hillary Clinton who feels "entitled" to the nomination?

Meanwhile: "Bernie Sanders Says Superdelegates Should Follow Voters' Will in Landslide States."

Bernie Sanders said on Sunday that he and Hillary Clinton were heading to a "contested" convention this summer because she will need superdelegates to secure the nomination, a claim that clashes with the accepted definition of a contested convention. He also said that superdelegates who have supported her should switch to him instead.

At a news conference in Washington, Mr. Sanders said that the Democratic convention in July would be contested because "it is virtually impossible for Secretary Clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by June 14 with pledged delegates alone," and that she "will need superdelegates to take her over the top." He added: "In other words, the convention will be a contested convention."

A convention is typically understood as contested when a candidate cannot reach the necessary delegate count using both pledged delegates and superdelegates, typically party officials and state leaders who are not bound to any candidate.
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"If I win a state with 70 percent of the vote, you know what? I think I am entitled to those superdelegates," Mr. Sanders said.
Emphasis mine.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/01/bernie-sanders-says-superdelegates-should-follow-voters-will-in-landslide-states/?_r=0


So, Sanders believes he is "entitled" to superdelegates' votes, and also doesn't understand what a contested convention actually is. Also: Even if the system worked precisely the way he wants it to work, and he got all those superdelegates to which he feels entitled, guess what? He'd still be losing—because Clinton has had more decisive victories in bigger states with larger numbers of superdelegates.

So, this, too—like all of his other excuses for why he is losing—is bullshit.

Sanders' fundraising has dropped off a cliff, so it's obvious that a significant number of his supporters have resigned themselves to the fact that he's lost. The only people still in denial seem to be the diehard conspiracy spinners and the candidate himself.


http://www.shakesville.com/2016/05/oh-bernie-todays-edition.html

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Reply Shakesville: Sanders says he's "entitled" to superdelegates. Oh. (Original post)
Rose Siding May 2016 OP
stonecutter357 May 2016 #1
workinclasszero May 2016 #2
Cha May 2016 #8
stonecutter357 May 2016 #9
Cha May 2016 #11
yallerdawg May 2016 #20
Cha May 2016 #21
charlyvi May 2016 #40
DemonGoddess May 2016 #19
Cha May 2016 #22
tonyt53 May 2016 #3
Rose Siding May 2016 #5
Jitter65 May 2016 #4
Jitter65 May 2016 #6
Cha May 2016 #7
pandr32 May 2016 #10
Cha May 2016 #12
pandr32 May 2016 #29
Cha May 2016 #31
tonyt53 May 2016 #33
Cha May 2016 #36
BlueCaliDem May 2016 #37
SharonClark May 2016 #13
Rose Siding May 2016 #17
Koinos May 2016 #41
Her Sister May 2016 #14
Thinkingabout May 2016 #15
pandr32 May 2016 #30
Thinkingabout May 2016 #32
pandr32 May 2016 #38
jmowreader May 2016 #42
UtahLib May 2016 #16
Cha May 2016 #23
misterhighwasted May 2016 #18
Cha May 2016 #24
Iliyah May 2016 #25
IamMab May 2016 #26
procon May 2016 #27
Blue Idaho May 2016 #28
NastyRiffraff May 2016 #34
LiberalFighter May 2016 #35
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #39
realmirage May 2016 #43

Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:16 AM

1. Sanders is full of crap..

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #1)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:17 AM

2. Up to his eyeballs...

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #1)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:22 AM

8. There's that.

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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:23 AM

9. Good morning Cha.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #9)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:24 AM

11. Good Morning, Alabama!

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Response to Cha (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:44 AM

20. And "more southern" Alabama!

Good morning, Cha!

We had our 2016 election.

So far, 80% "Ready for Hillary"!

You're welcome, America!

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/AL-D

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #20)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:48 AM

21. That's right.. timely reminder, yallerdawg.. we have two Alabamans here in Hill's Group..

how Cool is that?!

America thanks you, smart voters!

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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:26 PM

40. Three

I'm from Central Alabama. Between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham!

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #1)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:42 AM

19. We need hip waders...

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #19)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:49 AM

22. lol

funny 'cause it's so true.. like President Obama says .. don't let them bamboozle you!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:18 AM

3. Odd statement for somebody behind by 3 million in the popular vote

 

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:21 AM

5. The very idea he's promoting would still doom his candidacy

She'd still clean up using New Bernie Rules

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:21 AM

4. Give him ALL the delegates in states that he won in and give Hillary All in the states that she won

 

He is still behind by 200+

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:21 AM

6. Really, I don't want a whiner like BS to by our President. nt

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:22 AM

7. Oh yes he did say that.. and that's been his problem all along.. he feels entitled while

railing @ everyone else.

Thank you, Rose.. this is good. BS is the whole problem.. he's the one to blame for everything gone wrong with his surrogates, his fans and his campaign.. he and that wife of his.

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:24 AM

10. Well put Cha!

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #10)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:26 AM

12. Yeah, it all comes down to this, pandr.. there were questions who was running

that show over there @ camp sanders.. now there's no doubt.

Mahalo~

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Response to Cha (Reply #12)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:29 AM

29. Agreed!

Aloha and I wish you a wonderful day!

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #29)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:38 AM

31. You, too.. best kind! I just saw this pertinent tweet from Propane Jane you'll be interested in..

thanks to Her Sister~

Propane Jane ‏@docrocktex26 · 55m55 minutes ago

The truly disgusting part about Bernie's contested convention aspirations is how he thinks he's entitled to override the will of POC/women.

https://twitter.com/theonlyadult

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:52 AM

33. he has failed on many levels

 

He has failed to recognize the value of older voters (the most reliable in the Party), minorities, those in the south, plus several more. They just don't understand that the Democrat Party isn't all white and under the age of 35.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #33)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:06 PM

36. It seems like they just glommed onto who would take what they were selling

unquestionably.. turns out mostly kids who want free college and love going to huge rallies and acting all aggressive on the internet and anywhere else they feel the need.

Whoever never got tired of hearing the same ol stump speech and not caring he had nothing else to offer. Strange strategies they have that obviously aren't working.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #33)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:11 PM

37. Hi, tony53. I'm asking you to please not call People of Color "minorities". I've always hated that

term and so do many other PoC. Thanks in advance!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:27 AM

13. Geez Louise, Sanders sounds ridiculous

Does he think the voters don't see how shameful he is to think he can make up the rules as he goes along? And if he doesn't win then it is automatically fraud. What a prick.

Speaking of pricks, what happened to Weaver and Devine? Lately, it's been the Jane and Bernie Show.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:35 AM

17. It rankles me especially because of his support among youth

I'm not sure they really hang on his every word, but *if* they do, this idea that it's 'no fair!' could end up being all they learn from him about politics.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:33 PM

41. While Jane manages the campaign, Weaver and Devine are looking for the tax returns.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:29 AM

14. Very Presidential!

 

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:31 AM

15. Since Hillary is ahead of Sanders in pledged delegates, he needs to get 87% of the rest of the

pledged delegates it will be impossible for him to acquire the amount of pledged delegates to win the nomination. There are 168 super delegates left who has not endorsed, two of those are the Clintons, and many more who will wait until the convention before endorsing, it isn't going to happen. Sanders is showing he is willing to get beat again at the convention. He is trying to have it both ways, he says super delegates are not democratic but he is out trying to get their endorsement. He should have started his play twenty five years ago.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #15)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:31 AM

30. There you go again...telling the truth!

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #30)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:40 AM

32. It does not play into establishing his integrity, who in the hell is winding him up and sending

him out to say these things. They should be ashamed but probably still raising money off of this.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #32)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:15 PM

38. I wonder about his state of mind

He isn't forced to say anything. Others do feed him headlines, obvious after he over-reacted to the one about Hillary insinuating he was "unqualified" and that turned out to have been just a made-up headline, but ultimately he is the candidate and is responsible for his campaign.
He has always loved talking while others listen. As a young man he saw his chance amidst other young people during protests, and he has gravitated to a microphone ever since--even if he really doesn't have anything fresh or important to say, and perhaps he doesn't even care as much about things as he pretends--he likes to be the important big guy in the room. This helps to explain why he has not attracted many Congressional colleagues to his side, because they would have to stand behind him and not likely ever get their back scratched in return. Listen to how many times he uses the pronoun "I" when he speaks. On the flip-side he assumes to speak for "the American People."
Sanders has gone off the rails due to his own pomposity. I have always wondered if he has a personality disorder.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #15)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:25 PM

42. No! No! You really don't understand, do you?

It takes a total of 2,383 delegates to win the nomination.

If Hillary doesn't show up at the convention with at least 2,400 pledged delegates (because a few of the ones she has might prove to be faithless and switch to Bernie between now and Philadelphia), then the convention will be contested.

But if Bernie shows up at the convention with at least 1664 pledged delegates (2383 delegates minus 719 superdelegates), then he has won because, obviously, all 719 superdelegates will switch to him.

Here's Bernie's second-biggest problem: Assume he walks in the door with exactly 1,664 pledged delegates and an assumption the entire superdelegate cohort will come to their senses and support him. There are 4046 pledged delegates. Subtract 1664 delegates and, because this is a two-horse race, Hillary will come in with 2,382 pledged delegates - ONE SHORT OF WHAT SHE NEEDS.

And if that happens, here is his biggest problem: Two of the superdelegates who would have to flip to Bernie are William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Let's be realistic here. In order to win this nomination, Bernie has to win 907 more pledged delegates PLUS 158 of the remaining 160 superdelegates - because you know the Clintons are not going to support Bernie after all the shit he heaped on them over the last year...or any other combination that gets him to 1,065 additional delegates.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:32 AM

16. The most entitled man in America - just ask him. eom

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #16)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:53 AM

23. So true.. I wish he didn't feel so entitled.. 'cause he gets Nothing!



Utah~

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:37 AM

18. Well that's his whole problem right their

Bernie: The Party of the E N T I T L E D

Hillary earns every vote she gets by her stellar long record of accomplishments & listening to concerns of many and actually presenting a path to a functioning society, rather than campaigning on slogans & slander and Speaking To masses of a specifically white entitled demographic like bernie does.

Bernie reminds his hand picked demographic how entitled they are. HILLARY REMINDS US THAT WE ARE ALL ENTITLED. Not just those with the biggest mouths.

This is why Hillary will be our President in Nov.
I can't wait for the Hillary/Trump debate.
She'll make a fool out of him in the eyes of the world.

Bernie who? Hillary has moved on from the tantrums of the entitled one.






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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #18)

Mon May 2, 2016, 10:54 AM

24. bernie gets Nothing!



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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:05 AM

25. And yet, voters only matter when supporting BS.

Damn the Democratic Party's primary polices which have been in effect for over 30 years, which Tad Devine knew about. Damn that Tad Devine helped in the creation of the super delegates. Damn the popular vote and pledged delegates that HRC has more of, cause since they are for her, they don't matter.

Doesn't sound right to me, but in reality, BS, his campaign and his surrogates are in their own world.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:10 AM

26. It was HE and HIS supporters who expected a "coronation." He was to be "Greeted as a liberator"

 

here to save Democrats from themselves and the terror of intelligent decision-making. His mindless pablum about billionaires and revolutions and "WALL STREET!" was supposed to make long-serving Democrats tremble at his presence.

Except people still get to vote, and they told Bernie to go away. (self-censored to avoid another jury today)

And then they have the fucking nerve to whine about "democracy" being broken. No, you lost. Suck it up and move on, like an adult. Try again next cycle, like an adult. Self-analyze and make adjustments to improve going forward, like an adult.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:15 AM

27. News Flash: Bitter Old Man Admits to Being a Sore Loser.

Unable to get the rightwing talking points to stick, unable to win the most votes, Sanders is going to set himself up as a spoiler candidate at the convention, and try to use extortion to succeed where voters rejected him.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:26 AM

28. I'm starting to think the Sanders end times

Are starting to look like the end of the Nixon administation - downright delusional. All that's missing are the late night scenes of him wandering a hallway talking to the statues...

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:59 AM

34. All those huge rallies..

all those signs, all the swarms of BernieBros shouting...ALL MEAN HE MUST BE THE NOMINEE! No matter what. Votes? They're so yesterday! Superdelegates supporting the candidate they like and who is winning pledged delegates and raw votes by large margins? They'd better switch to Bernie! This is a REVOLUTION and you'd better get with the program or get thrown under that big bus!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:01 PM

35. If the rules required automatic delegates to be assigned to the winner of a state.

He would be right.

BUT He is not right!

That is not how automatic delegates are suppose to decide their support. They are free to decide on their own who they will support. And to change their mind if a different candidate would be better.

It is up to automatic delegates to decide mainly who would be the better candidate based on information they have available to them. And unless they know something they consider a problem they will not subvert the will of the people. Along that same note. Automatic delegates would know if the email server is an issue. They would have the real pertinent information about the investigation and how it could or would not impact the nominee. They would also know background information about Sanders as well. Much of it has not been revealed.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:16 PM

39. Dana Carvey catches Bernie perfectly

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:33 PM

43. You see in a REAL revolution, the way democracy works,

 

is you take all the people's ballots, you find the ones with your opponent's name on them, you say you're going to the bathroom, and you quick run to Brazil and throw then into a volcano. Then you tell the super delegates that they better vote for your candidate, or else, to save America, and you TAKE the presidency. Then everyone will know that you really do have principles.

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