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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:32 AM May 2016

Bernie’s Bad End...Paul Krugman

Bernie’s Bad End
MAY 2, 2016 6:44 AM

This is really depressing: Sanders claiming that there will be a contested convention, and suggesting that the nomination fight was rigged. Can someone tell Bernie that he’s in the process of blowing his own chance for a positive legacy?

At this point it’s as if Sanders is determined to validate everything liberal skeptics have been saying all along about his unwillingness to face reality — and all of it for, maybe, a few weeks of additional fundraising, at the expense of any future credibility and goodwill. Isn’t there anyone who can tell him to stop before it’s too late?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/bernies-bad-end/
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Bernie’s Bad End...Paul Krugman (Original Post) workinclasszero May 2016 OP
he has blown his chance for a positive legacy. stonecutter357 May 2016 #1
He's making liberals and progressives look bad. Whining about losing and lying about KittyWampus May 2016 #11
There is RandySF May 2016 #2
Yes--his senior political advisor! pandr32 May 2016 #29
Gotta join you in this! Her Sister May 2016 #34
Wow.. Krugman has been on bernie's case.. Good! Cha May 2016 #3
Krugman went under the bus long ago. stopbush May 2016 #5
Let them twist.. sanders is hoisting himself on his own petard with jane's help and it looks Cha May 2016 #6
Whatever legacy Sanders hoped to have had in the democratic party workinclasszero May 2016 #8
these guys are putting mitt to shame in the flip-flop, etch-a-sketch dept Cha May 2016 #9
I think its a recruiting mechanism for the green party TBH workinclasszero May 2016 #15
I just hope she'll pull that secret weapon out soon. It's getting crazy with an equally unbalanced BlueCaliDem May 2016 #41
This is her secret weapon but he won't be out till Fall.. Cha May 2016 #43
You blew the secret! :-) spooky3 May 2016 #48
Oh yes, it won't just be the President.. but they will be a dynamic duo! Cha May 2016 #52
++++++++++++++++++111111111111111 K&R fleabiscuit May 2016 #56
BlueCaliDem---Thank you for expressing sentiments that I am feeling today. Anything of a skylucy May 2016 #58
Yep. Leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth, destroying what stopbush May 2016 #4
He's looking like the biggest poor loser on the Planet now. Cha May 2016 #7
I bet someone (everyone) told Sanders about book deals... yallerdawg May 2016 #13
Oh I think he does have a lot to lose.. he's just not thinking of his reputation in the Cha May 2016 #18
I'm just sayin'... yallerdawg May 2016 #24
"If you can't beat 'em join 'em.. LOL! Cha May 2016 #25
Losing donors like crazy, getting down to the deadenders stopbush May 2016 #21
".. down to the deadenders.. " yes, good way to put it, stop. Cha May 2016 #23
As the RNC chairman told Trump: give us a break question everything May 2016 #10
Emoprogs will be emoprogs Cary May 2016 #12
Wow you got their number all right LOL workinclasszero May 2016 #17
wow! Great definition! Her Sister May 2016 #36
"Liberal policies" = free tuition and instant Kardashian lifestyle displacedtexan May 2016 #44
EmoProg. Nice One Vogon_Glory May 2016 #54
Good OpEd DemonGoddess May 2016 #14
Paul Krugman hits it out of the park again! SunSeeker May 2016 #16
He has an amazing batting average, no? BootinUp May 2016 #26
We will see if bernies love Bernie is greater than his love for America and beachbumbob May 2016 #19
It was inevitable tonyt53 May 2016 #20
His campaign was built on the premise that he couldn't win, but stopbush May 2016 #22
He's delusional thats why workinclasszero May 2016 #30
Which is why we should strive to not react to them Cary May 2016 #31
Hillary won regardless of if they accept it or not workinclasszero May 2016 #40
Was there ever any doubt? Cary May 2016 #42
Too true! Revive the Bernie of early debates! LAS14 May 2016 #27
Thank you Paul Krugman! Satch59 May 2016 #28
Sounding like Cruz? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #46
A couple of these comments are very good BeyondGeography May 2016 #32
"Bernie's Bad End" is now trending. ~ Al Giordano twitter Her Sister May 2016 #33
Yay! Thank you, Paul Krugman! Some sanity/reality! Cha May 2016 #37
Cool! workinclasszero May 2016 #39
Sanders is lying about contested convention to keep small dollar donations coming Gothmog May 2016 #35
Krugman nails it. sheshe2 May 2016 #38
Bernie doesn't listen; he lectures. Koinos May 2016 #45
God I am so disappointed in him, and actually at the point where I hate him. Fla Dem May 2016 #47
I have passed through a number of stages. Koinos May 2016 #49
Couldn't have said it better myself. Fla Dem May 2016 #50
The Democrats invited a pickpocket to their party. Koinos May 2016 #51
But that's just it, he wasn't invited. He crashed the party. Fla Dem May 2016 #53
Booom! BS crashed the party.. turns out he's a boor and he won't leave. Cha May 2016 #55
Interesting point. Koinos May 2016 #57
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
11. He's making liberals and progressives look bad. Whining about losing and lying about
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

a contested convention.

RandySF

(58,366 posts)
2. There is
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

And you can someone sane talks to him on primary day. But you can also tell that Jane Sanders is the last person he talks to at night by his reversals on the following days.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
3. Wow.. Krugman has been on bernie's case.. Good!
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:40 AM
May 2016
At this point it’s as if Sanders is determined to validate everything liberal skeptics have been saying all along about his unwillingness to face reality — and all of it for, maybe, a few weeks of additional fundraising, at the expense of any future credibility and goodwill. Isn’t there anyone who can tell him to stop before it’s too late?

Wow.. this is really helpful.. I hope it gets through to some BS fans.

Thank you, working!

stopbush

(24,388 posts)
5. Krugman went under the bus long ago.
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

His words of wisdom will be twisted by the BSers to confirm Sanders' "us against the establishment" mantra.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
6. Let them twist.. sanders is hoisting himself on his own petard with jane's help and it looks
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

as though no one can stop him.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. Whatever legacy Sanders hoped to have had in the democratic party
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

is being flushed down the drain with his delusional instance of flipping enough supers to win and calling every damn primary he lost to Hillary "rigged".

Not to mention he said it would be horrible to try to win via the supers early in the primary season! The man and his backers are massive hypocrites!

Cha

(296,679 posts)
9. these guys are putting mitt to shame in the flip-flop, etch-a-sketch dept
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

He's making sure his fans don't vote for Hillary in the GE.. why would they if they believed all she did was cheat?

This is on bernieFnsanders.

Bui, no worries.. Hillary has a secret weapon.. she doesn't need BS.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. I think its a recruiting mechanism for the green party TBH
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

And you are right, she doesn't need fake democrats anyway.

Heck tons of republicans are planning to vote for Hillary if Herr Trump is the thug candidate and I see no way that he wont be.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
41. I just hope she'll pull that secret weapon out soon. It's getting crazy with an equally unbalanced
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

candidate threatening to do something that the Democratic Party Convention that hasn't seen done in ages!

Sanders needs a phone call quick and if he stays stubbornly stupid in his attempt to (as I've called it months ago) "gut the Democratic Party", someone needs to tell him that if he doesn't reverse course, he's gonna come out early and crush him.

Any Democrat - true Democrat, not the wishy-washy kind - who still supports this nincompoop should have their head examined. This man is hellbent on destroying the Democratic Party just because he's upset he's not winning. This is childish, boorish, immature, and self-destructive, and I'm really sick and tired of him. Really.

On a lighter note...Hi, Cha!

Cha

(296,679 posts)
43. This is her secret weapon but he won't be out till Fall..
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

Keith Boykin ??@keithboykin
No matter where things stand right now, don't forget Hillary Clinton has a secret weapon for the fall campaign.
5:15 PM - 26 Apr 2016
236 236 Retweets 358 358 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/26/well-done-md-pa/#comments

And you see Paul Krugman's .. "Bernie's bad end"? And, "Al Giordano has it trending on twitter"!

Pertinent Tweet..

Propane Jane ?@docrocktex26 · 55m55 minutes ago

The truly disgusting part about Bernie's contested convention aspirations is how he thinks he's entitled to override the will of POC/women.

https://twitter.com/theonlyadult

People are up in arms so the speak.. Hillary's getting lots of HELP! berni's screwing himself up.. all with his own mouth.



spooky3

(34,387 posts)
48. You blew the secret! :-)
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

I think she'll have some other surprises up her sleeve later.

I hope her coattails are long and strong.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
52. Oh yes, it won't just be the President.. but they will be a dynamic duo!
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

And, Yes.. the coattails.. the Dem races across the country that's she been helping with her Fundraising that sanders is always whining about. One of the many on his whine list.

skylucy

(3,737 posts)
58. BlueCaliDem---Thank you for expressing sentiments that I am feeling today. Anything of a
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:08 PM
May 2016

positive nature that I believed about Sanders is gone. I am thoroughly disgusted. I am also concerned that Sanders will continue to denigrate Hillary and the Democratic Party all the way until (and even during) the convention. I watched a clip of Hillary from 2008 conceding to and endorsing Obama. Despite being disappointed that she had been beaten by then-Senator Obama, she was unequivocal in her support for him and called on all Dems to back him. I fear that Sanders has no such loyalty to the party or any of us long-time, true Democrats. He wants to hurt the party,because after using it for his own ends, he has lost. It's like he wants all of us to suffer because he didn't win. I gave him far too much credit when he began his campaign. His words about doing whatever it takes to "make sure a Republican doesn't win the White House" are self serving lies at this point. Remember when his campaign workers stole Hillary's data when there was a breach in the system? And then his campaign whined and filed a lawsuit against the DNC because they had to wait one day before accessing the system again? I gave him the benefit of the doubt at that time. I shouldn't have.

stopbush

(24,388 posts)
4. Yep. Leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth, destroying what
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:40 AM
May 2016

little legacy he had while pushing a generation of new voters away from the normal process, convincing them you only lost because the other side cheated.

Nice job, Sanders.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
13. I bet someone (everyone) told Sanders about book deals...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

and huge advances!

He has nothing to lose.

Only we do.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
18. Oh I think he does have a lot to lose.. he's just not thinking of his reputation in the
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

US Senate. It may not mean much to him now with all the rock star rallies he's held and the $$$$$$$ flowing like whine.. except in April when it went down almost $25 Million.

Maybe he's worried about campaign debts the way he's been spending without much to show for it?

but, he's going to be sorry he's claiming Hillary only won because everything is "rigged".. one of his gd favorite buzz words.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
24. I'm just sayin'...
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016

isn't $27 right around the cost of a brand new hardback?

And that $27 would go in his bank account, not campaign account?

There just has to be a reason for burning it all down with no chance of winning the nomination.

"Millionaires and billionaires." If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

Too cynical? Too soon?

Cha

(296,679 posts)
25. "If you can't beat 'em join 'em.. LOL!
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

Not too cynical.. unless I am too. I mean we're speaking from months of experience!

Not too soon, either.

stopbush

(24,388 posts)
21. Losing donors like crazy, getting down to the deadenders
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

supporting him.

With every passing day, he shows us why he would have been a horrible POTUS.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
23. ".. down to the deadenders.. " yes, good way to put it, stop.
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

yeah, just what we needed .. the stump speech president.. I know President Obama is happy that Hillary is succeeding him.. he knows how competent she is.

question everything

(47,407 posts)
10. As the RNC chairman told Trump: give us a break
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:53 AM
May 2016

You knew, or should have known, the rules of this race. Not to mention that you were not a Democrat, hated Democrats, campaigned against Democrats until you decided to take advantage of bright eyed youngsters.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
17. Wow you got their number all right LOL
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:59 AM
May 2016
Emo Progressive (or “emoprog”) is a self-described liberal or progressive, often with libertarian leanings, whose political orientation is to be angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation at any given time, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly or forcefully enough.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
44. "Liberal policies" = free tuition and instant Kardashian lifestyle
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:43 PM
May 2016

I blame a combo of TMZ and Pinterest for the dissastisfaction of emoprogs.

Vogon_Glory

(9,109 posts)
54. EmoProg. Nice One
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

EmoProg? Nice one. I've been calling them fan-boys and fan-girls, and I've gotten so sour that I found my old "politically immature," insult that I haven't used in years.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
19. We will see if bernies love Bernie is greater than his love for America and
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

Whether or not he rather see America destroyed than help beat trump and conservatives...Manu of his supporters want America to be destroyed...

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
20. It was inevitable
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

Since almost all of Bernie's rallies have been at or near a college campus, and the school year is ending now, his supporters will forget he even exists in about a month anyway. I find it so very odd that he chose to bring that crowd into his campaign before trying to get people that actually do vote in a general election.

stopbush

(24,388 posts)
22. His campaign was built on the premise that he couldn't win, but
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

that he could still be considered to have run a successful campaign if he got exposure.

That's why he ran as a D and why he targeted college kids. The media exposure and the $ rolling in convinced him he could win. Now he's stuck in the fantasy.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
30. He's delusional thats why
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

And so are his rabid fans.

I said months ago if you are depending on 18 to 29 year old people exclusively, the revolution, to get you to the white house, you are an idiot!

Its a proven historical fact that this group votes the least of everybody!

But I was scolded and called a tool of the oligarchy because I looked at the historical record.

Got many many posts hidden/run off the board for saying such horrible "untrue" things. SMH

Cary

(11,746 posts)
31. Which is why we should strive to not react to them
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

Don't sweat the hides. I got my last hide, on a thread I started in order to actually try to be reasonable and nice to them, for simply saying that I won't follow mopes and losers. Did I say they were mopes and losers? No, I specifically avoided any reference to anyone.

So I got hidden by them for saying that I won't follow mopes and losers. It's a bad thing to opt out of following mopes and losers.

We're better than that, or at least I try to be. It's funny because they berated me in that thread because of my transparency page and guess what? They were PPR'd because they themselves were banned and had multiple socks.

So don't let the flakes get to you. Chin up! All is well.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
40. Hillary won regardless of if they accept it or not
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

Same as the voting age facts.

A fact is a fact even if a person doesn't want it to be true!

Cary

(11,746 posts)
42. Was there ever any doubt?
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:52 PM
May 2016

No. Not really. And pretty much that's why I support Hillary. I think she's better, don't get me wrong. But both would work for me, and no Republican would be acceptable.

I'm still going with my opinion that we had two great candidates and I'm not taking my eyes off the prize, which is a Democratic victory. Republicans are unacceptable. They present Kasich as something sane and reasonable, but he's not sane and he's not reasonable. He's not moderate. He's not fit to govern and none of the Republicans are.

I mean look at their approval rating. Look at what they've managed to do with Senate and House majorities. Do I need to say more? They have nothing except the same old, very tired tax cuts for rich people and more wars. They are not fit to govern.

Now if that makes me a partisan hack then so be it. I cannot rationalize Republicans in any way, shape or form.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
28. Thank you Paul Krugman!
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

Bernie is sounding more like Cruz (delusional) which is NOT good for him and not good the Democratic Party...we are so much better than this. The idea of Bernie not embracing a graceful exit speaks to his ego and true intentions... Yes, Hillary stayed through CA but never talked of contested convention or rigged super delegates and never made demands on the platform or to Obama.... Grace...a beautiful word...Hillary has it...Bernie doesn't.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,646 posts)
46. Sounding like Cruz?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

He's about as popular as Cruz among his fellow congressional members. I think someone said, "I don't know anyone who's worked with Bernie Sanders but plenty of people have been lectured by him."

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
32. A couple of these comments are very good
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016
Bill
Ithaca, NY 2 hours ago
Hard to understand this behavior. Sanders strikes me as someone who has run for president out of a desire to achieve a social and political agenda, rather than out of egotistical ambition. In that sense, he seems the absolute opposite of The Donald, who has no apparent political perspective or agenda, and for whom the only thing that matters is becoming president - it all about ego.
Sanders spent what - close to two decades? - in Congress without much display of ego. Now, having accomplished far more than anyone thought he could, it seems as though Sanders is feeling a bit full of himself and his ego has risen to the top. Too bad, he may blow all that he has managed to accomplish.


And:

R. Willemann
Ossining, NY 1 hour ago
It makes one weep! I supported Bernie's positions, sent him money and voted for him in the primary to make a statement and to see if the democratic electorate could rally behind his grand positions. My goal was to show future democratic politicians that progressive values have currency and determine just how deep the support is.

Now this, an apparent demonstration that progressives reject compromise, a key feature in successful governance, and would rather loose big than make incremental progress. Why must they see any deviation from revealed truth as apostasy? It is clear the American electorate is not ready for Bernie, but wise politics at this point could have prepared the country to better deal with the powerful negative forces that loom.


Fla Dem

(23,542 posts)
47. God I am so disappointed in him, and actually at the point where I hate him.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

And there are very few people I expend the energy you need to hate.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
49. I have passed through a number of stages.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

I have gone from respect to doubt, from doubt to disdain, from disdain to ridicule, and -- finally -- from ridicule to pity. I feel sorry for him, and it pains me to see what he has done to himself, to his followers, and to the Democratic party.

ETA: And it pains me that progressives flocked to Sanders and ignored O'Malley.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
57. Interesting point.
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

I would think that theoretically the DNC could have rejected his bid to run as a Democrat, since he wasn't one. But maybe there was nothing anyone could do. Unfortunately, does that mean that Libertarians and Greens and even Republicans should be allowed to run as Democrats in the future, if they wish to? Maybe it's time to look at and change some of the rules.

I don't like open primaries either.

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