Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumVERY interesting tidbit ... get the bus ready fast, if true.
Will Jeff Merkley Talk Bernie Sanders Into Ending His Presidential Bid?That's what Politico says. Merkley's office issues a carefully worded statement.
http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/04/22/will-jeff-merkley-talk-bernie-sanders-into-ending-his-presidential-bid/
On Thursday, Beltway website Politico ran an item quoting an anonymous "Democratic insider" saying that Senators were trying to "nudge" Sanders out of the race. The article named two: Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) and Merkley.
"More likely," the item says, "is a joint effort by Senators Warren and Merkley to help Bernie 'land his plane' with dignity and maximum concessions by Hillary on issues and convention programming."
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)He's been promising to take it all of the way to the convention. If he doesn't do that, he could turn off a lot of the new young voters who've been supporting him and we need them to come out and vote in November if only for the down ticket races.
kjones
(1,053 posts)A lot of those described by that statement are Bernie or Bust folks. There are others, of course.
But a populist campaign like Bernie's that fails to get off the ground generally leads to a climate
of negativity and pessimism that can be corrosive, especially to those down ticket peeps...
people important to getting things done.
As to what he should do, I'm not sure. What you said is probably true for some people, but
on the other side, if he takes it all the way to the convention, he's going to drag out the
animosity longer, ultimately leading to us (those that stick around anyway) being more
divided closer to the generals.
pandr32
(11,572 posts)It takes time to get over something and there isn't much time until the GE now. If Bernie ever really wanted to be a leader here is his chance. Only he can prevent trouble and defection. But first, Bernie needs to let go of his own delusions. Can he?
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)I thought that it resulted in the election of a Republican judge.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)Young people generally don't vote. Those who had no interest in politics pre-Sanders won't effect the outcome anymore than they would have had they ignored the election, as they were going to do anyway.
No, this election will be won the way all elections are won: by turning out the base and getting a little help from people crossing over from the opposing party. The young Sanders voters won't be a factor unless they were to en maze vote for Trump. But doing that takes effort - easier to follow Plan A and just stay home.
Honestly, Hillary doesn't need them.
wryter2000
(46,025 posts)This primary stuff needs to end so we can focus on the GE. Plus, some progressive concessions from Hillary could only be a good thing.
Cha
(297,029 posts)I am very skeptical after everything BS has pulled. He hasn't earned any concessions.. he's fomented hate.
How many hate Hillary now because of all the Hogwash he's tried to smear her with? He's has no respect for anybody but he demands it?
Thank you for the article, Blue~
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)I feel much the same way as you, btw. A couple weeks back, I would have been more sanguine about Bernie. But now, no.
I found this item interesting because Merkley, as the ONLY Senator to endorse Bernie so far, did so only recently. The fact that this possibility is even being hinted at in the OR press indicates to me that Hillary might be in better shape than I thought in OR. Jeff keeps his political ear pretty close to the grassroots from what I understand. His office's statement is a real work of art.
That the article also mentions Warren, the darling of so many "progressives," as possibly being involved is even more interesting.
We'll see what we shall see in any event. Right now, Hillary is doing what she needs to do and taking nothing and no vote for granted, whatever may be happening on the sidelines.
Cha
(297,029 posts)endorsed BS and now talking about being one who could get him to bow out.
His fans want to vote for him .. I can understand that.. but BS needs to stop disingenuously smearing Hillary and attacking her integrity. He's always sending mixed signals.. he needs to get on the same page and stay there.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I know that there will be some to get him onboard, but he needs to be very very careful about how he goes about asking or demanding them.
The very notion that the first female major party candidate for president has to bow down and accept the whims of a man who failed sickens me to my stomach. Sanders would be best served trying to negotiate something small in private or not at all. If we retake the Senate by a 2-3 vote margin and he doesn't get his act together, he should lose his chairmanship of the budget committee.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)more than I trust Sanders although I share your frustration at the notion of Hillary's having to "bow down and accept the whims" of Bernie.
The woman who faced down rabid Benghazi GOPers for 11 hours can surely deal with Bernie in a way that will make sense. Even more, it will demonstrate her grace and class even more.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I certainly HOPE it's true but as usual with Sanders, I'm skeptical. Merkley's chief of staff issued a statement that seems to say that Democrats should unite around the nominee, as we have "two strong candidates," but also said that the Sanders campaign will continue:
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)specifically asked to confirm the rumors. Amid all that verbiage, there is no denial.
It's a real work of art.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)media attention and vital campaign information. He's not and never has been a Democrat. He'd be the first person to tell you so.
He's like Don Quixote, tilting at windmills to protect the romanticism of the past, but using the lance and horse provided for by the Democratic Party. True-blue Democrats know this about him. We sense this. We know he's not a real Democrat, and that's why he's having problems winning the favor of the vast majority of true-blue Democratic voters throughout the States despite his "yuge" rallies.
The best thing Sanders can do now, is stop doing the work for the GOP. Stop demonizing Hillary Clinton. Don't eat your own.
Republicans know that their candidates are weak and insane, and their policies are non-existent beyond tax cuts for the rich and destroying civil rights for all - not to mention, posing serious threats to earned benefits the American people are reliant upon to survive. So these know-nothings and do-nothings need a scapegoat and the last thing Sanders should do, as a brief Democrat, is give them one.
He should REFRAIN from destroying the Democratic Party even if it might "feel good" when lamenting, because it won't benefit his liberal vision for America nor will it benefit his supporters in their private lives. It will only benefit Republicans, giving them ammo to launch against Hillary Clinton in the G.E. If he chooses to stay in the race, by all means. But he needs to immediately cease and desist attacking Hillary Clinton and stop helping both the U.S. media and the GOP to destroy her, to everyone else's detriment.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Sanders should immediately cease and desist in his demonizing attacks against Hillary. It is such attacks specifically that are causing more division than anything else.
On the bright side for Hillary supporters, such actions are literally driving fence-sitters into Hillary's camp and perhaps even peeling off some of Bernie's own supporters who sincerely believe that BOTH are great candidates because in doing this, Bernie is betraying his own promise at the beginning of his campaign not to go negative.
But in the long run, these words and actions poison the political atmosphere and begin to make the Dems resemble the toxic world of the GOP, thus turning people off to BOTH parties. That is a real fear.
Bernie can stay in as long as he wants too, IMO, even though I am not as kindly disposed towards him as I once was. It is true that he can still win a couple more states although he will not win the nomination.
But he MUST stop the demonizing of Hillary and he MUST speak out strongly against the toxic actions of radical supporters like the BernieBros and he must do so IMMEDIATELY. Period.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)It's not as if the Republicans and their sheeple don't know all the 'horrible' things about Hillary Clinton. After all, they themselves perpetuated those lies, ad nauseam.
What Sanders should try to avoid is solidifying anger within the new-to-politics, Millennials, who are still deciding whom to join and follow. Using Republican lies against Hillary Clinton will turn lies into 'truth', and turn them away from the Democratic Party. It's almost impossible for Hillary to counter these because, as they say in politics, if you're explaining, you're losing. She has to walk a very fine line here, and Sanders isn't helping by allowing his surrogates to lie about her in public.
Also, it would help Democrats, Progressives, and the vast majority of Americans a great deal if Republicans can't use the "Even Bernie Sanders says it's true!" qualifier in their lying ads that are sure to come in the G.E. when she wins the nomination.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)that Bernie uses - as is now being reported - that is the signal that things have gone MUCH too far.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)come to this. And yet Sanders continues to attack Hillary Clinton rather than Republicans.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Hillary is in the cat bird seat after NYS. She may have to make it look as if she came to him with a deal in order to keep the majority of his young supporters in line but, his value is diminishing daily. Phone banks down 85%, contributions drying up and the enthusiasm is starting to diminish.
He had better jump soon. Hillary draws another Ace on Tuesday.