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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:35 AM Apr 2016

Choosing HRC ~HRC GROUP

Reasons for not getting on the BS bandwagon:
https://medium.com/robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.u3ykfl9te

This article is a great find, quite long and exhaustive!
So much there. I don't know what to excerpt! Maybe you can choose?
Some from the beginning:

First, I researched. I went to his website, I went to yougov, I went to other sites examining his record to see how it squared up with his rhetoric. I tried to find unbiased articles assessing his tax policy, looking at how he would fund single payer (and what he meant by that) as well as “free college” and other promises he made. I looked at analyses on left-leaning blogs that have long advocated for universal health care to see what they thought, sites I respect and whose authors I have relied on for years for their basic objectivity within their admitted points of view. And I could find none who believed Sanders’ numbers added up.


When I saw that the estimates were based on the assumption that the U.S. economy would have an average growth at a 5% rate over his term, that was it for me. And the reason is this: when Jeb! announced he was running for President, he declared that his plan would result in a 4% economic growth rate — and the other GOP presidential contenders quickly followed suit. The Republican candidates’ claims that they “would” do this had been derided on all the same left-leaning blog sites I was now looking at to help assess Sanders. The 4% assertion had been dismissed as “magical thinking” — or in more straightforward terms, “pulled out of Bush’s ass.” There was no precedent for a sustained growth rate that high; commentators pointed out that Reagan had achieved 4% twice in eight years, and Bill Clinton, five times, but 4% growth four years running? Never happened — and that was in better economic environments. Sanders’ 5% number was even more magical than Jeb!’s. And so the entire basis of Sanders’ promises for (promises I wanted to believe) was a historically unprecedented assumption. You can’t base a radical re-imagination of the U.S. economy and the imposition of the largest tax increases in U.S. history on made-up numbers. Sanders was able to find a single economist to weigh in positively on his plan, but that analysis was ripped to shreds by most others, who showed that Sanders’ plan doesn’t add up on its own terms (estimates are something like a $1–2 trillion shortfall even at the 5% growth assumption). So I concluded that the backbone of Sanders’ plan is founded on, functionally, a lie.
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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. I think of that 5% growth being more like unicorn farts.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

Other than terminology, I agree with everything in this article.

stopbush

(24,392 posts)
3. The BSers like to say that "130 economists believe Sanders' plans are economically sound
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:10 AM
Apr 2016

and will work!"

Fail!

Those 130 economists they cite agree that the big banks should be broken up. That has nothing to do with how Sanders plans to pay for all his ridiculous policies.

Point this out to them on DU and you'll earn a hide.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
5. It is always easier to reorganize the facts of an argument
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

and remove the parts that disagree with the desired conclusion.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
4. I’ve come to the point where I can barely stand his face
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

So TRUE!

I’ve come to the point where I can barely stand his face

So TRUE!

And I started out with an open mind toward BS, but he has destroyed any respect I had. Gone, nothing left there BS.

pandr32

(11,553 posts)
6. Is it possible that a personality disorder is part of this?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

I have a minor in Psychology and bells keep going off when I watch and listen to Bernie. He seems to have no real empathy--he can't seem to see past himself and his own perspective. He laughed when asked whether he thought he should apologize to Sandy Hook victim families, and only later mimicked concern--all too often he is cavalier when he should show concern. He has not changed much over the course of his life, yet it is normal for us all to adapt and grow as we learn more.
He also sees any type of disagreement as a personal attack and fails to consider the points made. I think that is odd for someone who is a career politician. He also seems to have to be dragged to the point of accepting consequences for his actions and votes, much of which he still absolves himself of any responsibility, like his votes against the Amber Alert and anti-immigration vote as just two of many examples.
Just pondering here



Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. I also did research on Sanders, this was when he first started talking about running on the
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

Democratic primary, I found some issues right away which troubled me, I continued and I found more, I listened to him on the talk shows, I take issue when he is ask a question he spins it right back to his standard financial statement. I listened to the debates, still more questions, his failure on foreign policy was very evident. Recently his interview with NYDN really told me the issues I had at first was backed up with data, the interview showed someone who is not ready for the office of president.

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