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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:33 PM May 2016

Barbara Boxer is not a bitch or the "C" word.

She is part of the establishment, for sure.

She may or may not have been someone we could count on in the future to support stuff like single payer or massive increases in taxes on the wealthy and wall street as is called for, but as politicians go, she was one of the liberal ones and did NOT deserve that treatment.

But, consider the source, most who treated her that way dont have the first fucking clue who she is, what she has done, and most important of all, they dont care.

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Barbara Boxer is not a bitch or the "C" word. (Original Post) Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author dogman May 2016 #1
Doesn't matter, Kelvin Mace May 2016 #4
Not innocent, so she deserved it I guess? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #5
No, I understand this is not the proper reply to your post. dogman May 2016 #13
No one deserves to be called either of those derogatory terms liberal N proud May 2016 #2
Amen! Anyone, and I mean ANYONE Kelvin Mace May 2016 #3
So you want to ban a bunch of Bernie... scscholar May 2016 #6
Sorry, inclusiveness doesn't extend to such behaviour. Kelvin Mace May 2016 #8
Yes. Their behavior was unacceptable. leftofcool May 2016 #9
Do Bernie supporters have to use sexist language against women? Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #19
As a female Bernie supporter, I heartily agree.. whathehell May 2016 #42
Agreed. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #45
Those Bernie supporters are bigots who deny women equal respect.. whathehell May 2016 #28
And Francisco Franco is still dead RufusTFirefly May 2016 #7
There are claims about phone messages Kelvin Mace May 2016 #11
Barbara Boxer was DemonGoddess May 2016 #10
I have heard that these things were said in phone messages, left by people Kelvin Mace May 2016 #12
On CNN today DemonGoddess May 2016 #15
Again, where is the video? Kelvin Mace May 2016 #23
As the videos are all over the damn place DemonGoddess May 2016 #52
Sure, and when I track down video Kelvin Mace May 2016 #53
Reportedly only about half the Bernie delegates showed up Hortensis May 2016 #16
That's not quite true. zalinda May 2016 #24
This has been investigated, and the rules were followed Hortensis May 2016 #27
Investigated by who? frylock May 2016 #33
WHO? Go look! All the nation's political media Hortensis May 2016 #36
So it wasn't investigated then. frylock May 2016 #38
Gee, I think you win. Here's your prize: Hortensis May 2016 #43
I'm just happy to call out your bullshit for all to see. frylock May 2016 #44
How about this investigation zalinda May 2016 #50
Actually, no woman deserves to be attacked with gender slurs. Her character may deserve whathehell May 2016 #30
Yup - a key characteristic of left-wing extremist behavior. Hortensis May 2016 #14
I dont like calling them left wing, though. I think they simply want certain economic things Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #18
Well, there is something to that, but I think it is Hortensis May 2016 #25
I don't think that decent wages and free college and universal health care are examples of extremism immoderate May 2016 #37
They are not. They are very well established, old Hortensis May 2016 #46
What the hell does this have to do with anything? zalinda May 2016 #48
She was an intruder, neither a candidate nor a delegate. Downwinder May 2016 #17
Wow. So everybody there who was not either was an intruder? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #20
Read the Rules. Downwinder May 2016 #21
So everybody, right? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #22
Strange position for sure. Senator Boxer was invited, and she Hortensis May 2016 #26
Nina Turner was invited also, by Bernie Sanders campaign, and she was also neither Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #41
Riiight, and of course she was there for Bernie and Hortensis May 2016 #47
So call her that...Her gender is not fair game. n/t whathehell May 2016 #32
Alls I recall is the video of St. Barbara the Exhaulted telling Berniestas, "Go ahead and boo all Hoppy May 2016 #29
Hoppy, if you can't tell the diffference in tone between "boo all you want" and "fuck you" Nitram May 2016 #35
"Vote she expects" ahh, another BoB Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #40
Good luck reasoning with Bernie supporters. Nitram May 2016 #31
I'm a Bernie supporter who despises the ugly misogyny whathehell May 2016 #39
I prefer the gender-neutral term 'asshole' frylock May 2016 #34
True, and we should stop calling men zalinda May 2016 #49
You are exactly right. Consider the source. notadmblnd May 2016 #51
Clueless is as clueless does Snood May 2016 #54
And Clinton supporters have shown themselves to be at the head of the pack notadmblnd May 2016 #55
Welcome! jzodda May 2016 #56
Thanks and an inquiry Snood May 2016 #57
Good question but I think.... jzodda May 2016 #58

Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
4. Doesn't matter,
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:45 PM
May 2016

once a person resorts to vile sexist slurs, they have lost any moral high ground they may have had. Such a person needs to be a pariah.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
13. No, I understand this is not the proper reply to your post.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

Since the OP is about language not process, I am deleting my post.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
3. Amen! Anyone, and I mean ANYONE
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

who calls any woman, establishment, liberal, Communist, Republican, Libertarian, Randian, Trekkie, Furrie, Seventh Day Adventist Desoto owners, et al, "bitch" or "cunt". that person should be banned, PERIOD.

If you say such things, you are a vile person and we don't need your kind here. Go post to a MRA, Gamergate, Trump forum, or Stormfront site where they welcome that.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Sorry, inclusiveness doesn't extend to such behaviour.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

I also favor banning people who use ageist or anti-Semitic slurs against Sanders.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
19. Do Bernie supporters have to use sexist language against women?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

That's not a movement I'd want to be a part of.

whathehell

(29,301 posts)
42. As a female Bernie supporter, I heartily agree..
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:30 PM
May 2016

Misogyny is deeply ingrained in the culture and language, unfortunately -- As Nation writer Katha Poliitt put it

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left" That being said, it has NO place in a progressive movement.

whathehell

(29,301 posts)
28. Those Bernie supporters are bigots who deny women equal respect..
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

They have no place in a progressive movement.

Women should no more be demeaned for being born female than
than minorities should be for being born black or brown.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
7. And Francisco Franco is still dead
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

Nobody worth worrying about has made either allegation.

Many dedicated California Democrats are understandably disappointed and disillusioned by her position in the Nevada debacle. Most of us have been grateful for her service as Senator, although we reluctantly concede, just as you suggest, that she is part of the Establishment. Ironically, I think serving alongside Dianne DINO Feinstein has made Boxer seem like more of an anti-establishment progressive than she actually is.

But no self-respecting Democrat (or decent human being for that matter), as disappointed as she or he may be, would brand Boxer with such hateful epithets. It would be a big mistake to paint those who respectfully but strenuously disagree with her on this matter with such a broad brush.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. There are claims about phone messages
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

but I await the police investigation that verify these came from anyone supporting Sanders. I have served on a few juries that used sexist language against HRC, and voted to hide. These tended to come from new accounts with low post counts, but occasionally an old timer allowed their temper to get the better of them.

Of course I am also still waiting for video of the "near-riot" (as it was called by John Ralston&quot that I am told occurred in Nevada.

DemonGoddess

(4,645 posts)
10. Barbara Boxer was
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

my Senator for many years while I lived in California. She in no way, shape, or form, deserved the nasty treatment she got from the BERNIE DELEGATES at the NV state convention.

That's something that seems to be overlooked you know. These aren't just supporters, these are DELEGATES.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
12. I have heard that these things were said in phone messages, left by people
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

that are said to be Sander's supporters. Is there any video of Boxer being called any of these words in person?

DemonGoddess

(4,645 posts)
15. On CNN today
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

she stated quite clearly she feared for her safety. The state chair is the one getting the terrible phone messages, death threats against her and her family. Yes, those are published on the Ralston Reports. As to what was screamed at Sen. Boxer, there's plenty of video available of that as well.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
23. Again, where is the video?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

Thousand plus people present, and the media, and the event occurred at a casino hotel in Vegas that has video cameras about every ten feet, and no one has any video?

Ralston walked back his claim yesterday saying that he didn't personally see any chairs thrown, but he heard about them.

If it happened there is video of it. Where is the video?

Also, if there are death threats where is the police report? Boxer is a high-ranking senator and any detah threats would certainly be looked into by the FBI and/or local/state police. Also, what evidence is there that these people who made the death threats are Sander's supporters? I am not talking about calls from people who call Boxer a name, I am talking about genuine death threats.

I have seen a police report about the arrest of an actor who attacked a Sander's supporter, but nothing about the "near-riot" Ralston claimed happened.

And spare me the claim about eye-witness accounts. The police always claim they have eye-witness accounts that the black man they shot 42 times pulled a gun on them, until the video appears that shows no such thing.

DemonGoddess

(4,645 posts)
52. As the videos are all over the damn place
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:46 PM
May 2016

you can just as easily look them up yourself. They're certainly not HIDING anywhere. Sheesh.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
53. Sure, and when I track down video
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

I see no "near-riots", no fistfights, no chairs being thrown, no "death threats" or anything other than people shouting and name calling. I saw nothing to justify Barbara Boxer "fearing for her life".

So, please show me a link that supports these claims. Your side is making the claim, therefore your side has the obligation to provide the evidence. So far, the only violence documented was by an actor. who supported HRC, on a Sanders' supporter.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Reportedly only about half the Bernie delegates showed up
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

and got seated. Just imagine twice that many. 98% of Clinton delegates were there, but none of the film shows their side of the room.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
24. That's not quite true.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

You should look at video and/or read about what really happened. It was supposed to start at 10, but started at 9:30. People who voted and were verified as Democrats were no longer Democrats, or so the NV dem party said, and a few of them were also Hillary supporters. Rules were changed in a secret meeting.

This crap has cost Hillary more votes, and more people leaving the party. If you can't play fair, you shouldn't be playing at all.

Z

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. This has been investigated, and the rules were followed
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

by both candidates and the party. The big exception, of course, was the Sanders campaign's incitement of the delegates to anger by lying to them that they were being cheated.

Propaganda is disinformation by its very nature. You need to broaden your information sources.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
38. So it wasn't investigated then.
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

A very one-sided account is being pushed by the nation's political media all based upon a second-hand account.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
50. How about this investigation
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

which you conveniently ignored.



They took video at the convention and watched all the video. They also interviewed people.

After all the lies that Hillary and her supporters have spread, don't be surprised if your girl loses.

Z

whathehell

(29,301 posts)
30. Actually, no woman deserves to be attacked with gender slurs. Her character may deserve
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

criticism, but slurring a woman on the basis of her condition of birth is about as "progressive"

as casting racial slurs at Black republicanss.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Yup - a key characteristic of left-wing extremist behavior.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

If you are not with them in their great endeavor, you are against them. Of course they don't need to have the first fucking clue about anything else.

They also are sadly lacking in empathy and given to villification so that they really do not consider, much less care, that those who disagree with them are people with opinions, rights, and needs, and especially a need to be protected from them.

My guess is Senator Boxer has collided with them a bunch of times over the decades. So peculiarly, they seem to feel the most enmity toward liberals and the Democratic Party, who would seem closer to them ideologically than toward those on the right.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
18. I dont like calling them left wing, though. I think they simply want certain economic things
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

and that is that.

My idea of left wing is people who would put their financial needs at the bottom of any list.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Well, there is something to that, but I think it is
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

that there is a good mix of others who have been drawn into mostly left-wing extremist behavior on DU, though some right-wingers are no doubt here also (after all, the Democratic Party includes groups like Kentucky's conservative Democrats).

Whether referring to far left and right, radicals, or extremists, extremism is real, of course, and a great of deal of research has been done on it, with more needed. I'm not talking about looking for solutions outside the box, but of extreme behaviors.

One of the more alarming things I've read recently is that people can seduce themselves "down the rabbit hole" of extremism, as it was described, by hanging and agreeing with groups that not only engage in extreme attitudes and behaviors but that also themselves may become more and more extreme over time.

That psychologist's description was not in discussion of politics, but what flashed into my mind was our two-year-long election seasons, during which many people become more and more emotionally invested in their causes and/or candidates. And, of course, forums like DU immediately also flashed to mind. This has been going on for some time now, and it may just have something to do with the fact that our electorate has been moving farther and farther right and left and our politics have been getting more and more batshit crazy.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
37. I don't think that decent wages and free college and universal health care are examples of extremism
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

You are fond of that word though.

--imm

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. They are not. They are very well established, old
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

respectable liberal and progressive government concepts and realities depending on where one is.

But that is not what I'm talking about. Which, btw, is also is well established, at least as well as anything in this world of exploding knowledge can be expected to be.

Introduction to Political Psychology: 3rd Edition
Political Psychology: Neuroscience, Genetics, and Politics
Extremism and the Psychology of Uncertainty
The Oxford Handbook of Political Psychology: Second Edition
The Rationalizing Voter (Cambridge Studies in Public Opinion and Political Psychology)
Affective Intelligence and Political Judgment
The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation

I quickly grabbed this little list off the web, deleting Jihad, Islam, and terrorism/terrorist to keep it closer to DU home, but of course there is incredibly more published in these disciplines. In the interest of disclosure, I have not read these particular books, although I have one very well regarded interdisciplinary book, and some are pretty expensive, but fwiw I did have a unit on political psychology 40 years ago.

Extremism is very real, if amorphous and sometimes hard to define. And we pretend it is not literally at our peril, for some I am coming to suspect literally at the peril of their ability to think rationally on political topics.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
48. What the hell does this have to do with anything?
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

Unless you are talking about Hillary supporters being duped.

Z

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
22. So everybody, right?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

Everybody who was neither a candidate or a delegate was an intruder, right?



YEAH, that is what I THOUGHT

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Strange position for sure. Senator Boxer was invited, and she
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

specifically was there to deliver a message of unity to the convention from both Sanders and Clinton.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
41. Nina Turner was invited also, by Bernie Sanders campaign, and she was also neither
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

a delegate or a candidate as far as i can tell

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Riiight, and of course she was there for Bernie and
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

is a special prize. A two-fer. She's safe.

Speaking of, I just heard her trying to excuse away what happened at the convention, and she did okay. The interviewer asked her a question or two about evidence that directly contradicted her version but didn't push it.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
29. Alls I recall is the video of St. Barbara the Exhaulted telling Berniestas, "Go ahead and boo all
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

You want."

I interpret that as a "fuck us" to the Bernie supporters whose vote she expects for Hillary in November. Add to that, the Nevada Dem. party chairwoman running roughshod over the meeting..

Nitram

(23,654 posts)
35. Hoppy, if you can't tell the diffference in tone between "boo all you want" and "fuck you"
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

you have a lot to learn. Sound like pure projection on your part.

Nitram

(23,654 posts)
31. Good luck reasoning with Bernie supporters.
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

Many come across as nice and polite, but they'll still support Bernie no matter what. Even Bernie blew this one, refusing to condemn the nastiness that his supporters inflicted on fellow Democrats.

whathehell

(29,301 posts)
39. I'm a Bernie supporter who despises the ugly misogyny
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

shown by some in Nevada and other places. If these haters can't handle women, including women in power respectfully,

they belong on the other side -- They are NOT progressives, they're bigots.

P. S. Bernie HAS condemned the nastiness, and especially the sexism of the so called "Bernie bros".

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
51. You are exactly right. Consider the source.
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

Clinton supporters impersonating Sander's supporters don't have the first fucking clue.

Snood

(5 posts)
54. Clueless is as clueless does
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016

Hmmm... From where I sit, Bernie Supporters have shown themselves to be far more suitable for the "clueless" appellation than have Clinton supporters.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
55. And Clinton supporters have shown themselves to be at the head of the pack
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

in the low info voter range. Just my observation though.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
58. Good question but I think....
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

I think the advanced search bar (upper right) works to search for users only after they have a star? Which means a donation to the site.

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