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Fri Mar 11, 2016, 02:39 AM

 

Hillary Clinton Supports Limits on Abortion Access

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From the Fox Townhall - Clinton clarified that although she believes in allowing woman access to abortions...she has limitations on that right.

"No, I have been on record in favor of a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother. I object to the recent effort in Congress to pass a law saying after 20 weeks, you know, no such exceptions, because although these are rare, Bret, they sometimes arise in the most complex, difficult medical situation."

So today pandering to us women she limits it to 20 weeks...tomorrow pandering to conservatives will she move it to 12 weeks and only in the case of rape.....

She is deeply religious and really believes that the Government has a right to limit women's rights. Well I say keep the GOVERNMENT's reach out of my vagina.

Hillary is no feminist.


And Bernie - what does he believe? Here you go...

Itís not a question of me being ďokayĒÖLet me be very clear about it. I know not everybody here will agree with me. I happen to believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body. I think, I believe, and I understand there are honest people. I mean, I have a lot of friends, some supporters, some disagree. They hold a different point of view, and I respect that. But that is my view.

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Iíll tell you something which I donít like in this debate. There are a whole lot of people out there who tell me the government is terrible, government is awful, get government off our backs. My Republican friends want to cut Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare ó Medicaid, education. But somehow on this issue, they want to tell every woman in America what she should do with her body.

Well, again, let me put this in context, because itís an important question. Right now the Supreme Court is considering a decision that would shut down a lot of the options for women in Texas, and there have been other legislatures that have taken similar steps to try to restrict a womanís right to obtain an abortion. Under Roe v. Wade, which is rooted in the Constitution, women have this right to make this highly personal decision with their family in accordance with their faith, with their doctor. Itís not much of a right if it is totally limited and constrained. So I think we have to continue to stand up for a womanís right to make these decisions, and to defend Planned Parenthood, which does an enormous amount of good work across our country.

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Reply Hillary Clinton Supports Limits on Abortion Access (Original post)
Silver_Witch Mar 2016 OP
dchill Mar 2016 #1
MisterP Mar 2016 #7
dchill Mar 2016 #8
Fairgo Mar 2016 #2
mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #3
Nyan Mar 2016 #4
djean111 Mar 2016 #5
Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #11
Historic NY Mar 2016 #6
jack528 Mar 2016 #9
Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #12
synergie Mar 2016 #10
Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #13

Response to Silver_Witch (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 02:48 AM

1. "She is deeply religious... "

Just one of hundreds of examples of why I'm NOT.

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Response to dchill (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 01:23 PM

7. oh, she'll out-secular you at the drop of a hat: it all depends on audience and date

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Response to MisterP (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 01:24 PM

8. That's what I'M talking about!

Christ on a crutch!

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Response to Silver_Witch (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:10 AM

2. The queen of political three card monty

Step right up...

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Response to Silver_Witch (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:21 AM

3. I doubt she gives a fuck either way

There's a calculation involved here.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 04:05 AM

4. ...and the calculation is, it's geared towards GE. nt

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 08:15 AM

5. My thought exactly.

 

She does not give a fuck either way, she is just calculating which stance will serve her the best in an election. There is no core there. No "evolving", just trying on different outfits to see which looks best at a particular time and occasion, easily discarded for an outfit that works better for another occasion.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:01 PM

11. I think she does care - deeply.

 

I think she is a devote Christian and is all about bringing the righteous to the fore. She was a member of the group in DC that wants to make Christianity the "leading" religion.

Frankly, she frightens me a wee bit.

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Response to Silver_Witch (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:20 PM

9. Persecution

 

I want to tell you my own story about persecution.
I am from Anshan in Liaoning province, I got my bachelor degree in Landscape design from Shenyang Agriculture University in China in 2007 and then I worked as a landscape architect for more than one year in Dalian. I went to France for my master study in September of 2009. Before that, I had heard of some negative comments about France and knew the strange personality of French people, but I thought that I should try to adapt them . But I can not believe that my stay for study in France was a beginning of a nightmare. In the first year of my stay in France, I was always facing the language school teachersí unwarranted sarcasm and the hysterical screams of the harsh landlord who always looked for a small thing to quarrel with me about, my life in France was overshadowed by this living situation. The cheat of a telecom staff for my insurance fee and the bank employeesí blatant theft of my money by deducting the balance of my account destroyed even more the remaining good first impressions of France of mine. I was living every day with depression and pain, and finally things that should not have happened happened. After a heated quarrel with the landlord, an old lady, she and her son who is a policeman and a ferocious dog brutally evicted me from home before the expiration of the contract in April 2010. I had lived in the house only for a few days even though I paid rent for a whole month. Is this something that would happen in a civilized society? All of this made me completely change impression of France and of French people. With this bad impression of France, I entered the university in France in September 2010. Unfortunately, I found out that the specialty that had received me was not the one that I applied for. I felt that I was deceived once more by French people. Therefore, I began to become careless in the class. Some professors found out that I had a prejudice against French which is maybe not tolerated by the proud French people and gave lots of trouble to me. I would have finished my study in France early but they made me redouble the first academic year. Because of these unfair treatments, I became so desperate that I didnít know how to do in the next coming year. I began to get angry over small things. One day, when I was stopped by the security person who wanted to close my handbag with a discriminate look at me at the entry of the supermarket Auchan, I suddenly got angry with him. From then on, Auchan made always troubles for me when I paid for my shopping, they always treated me as a thief and asked for checking my bag with a rude attitude. I thought Auchan had colluded with the french government and blacklisted me unlawfully.
I tried to apply for another master programme in Belgium and to flee from France but I failed finally. I suspect the admission process to be disturbed by French people as the president of the programme make things difficult for me about the documents for admission. I could not bear anymore what they have done to me, so I posted negative remarks about France and French people on a Chinese internet forum, which maybe generated a great response among Chinese students, therefore the number of the Chinese students who go to France for study reduced. Thatís why the French government began their revenge, they stonewalled my graduation and intercepted my e-mail, letters and phone messages to stop me from finding a job in France, they also detained my luggage that I want to deliver back to China, itís been one year since I am waiting for my luggage that I sent from Paris in April 2014. They monitored†my electronic communications, tracked me by my cell phone and spread rumors all over the world to defile my personality, which made me be discriminated against no matter where I am. I really had no choice but to return to China in April 2014. But the nightmare is not over. I received the same treatment in China as in France, so I realized that the French government had colluded with the Chinese government to bully me, and that I became a victim of a political deal. They spread rumors all over the country in the planes, in the trains, in the hotels, in the restaurants, among my friends and my family members, no matter where I am to everyone that I contacted or I would contact. My friends and my family gradually alienated from me. I tried to make myself better and went to Shanghai to look for job in the end of April 2014. But Chinese government made every effort to make me to spend money and to drive me away from Shanghai. There are so many times that they called the landlords that I had made a agreement with to break their promise to delay the entering time or to cancel the agreement that I had to stay in the hotel and spend more money. In addition to this, I realized that my computer was hacked and that there were always someone laughing ironically next to my hotel room no matter where I am. Iím sure that these are the spies of the Chinese communist party. I became angry and started to condemn the government by making some radical statements about the human rights on a website of a Chinese social media which is designated to Chinese students. I think my statements caused great repercussions in China as the Chinese government introduced socialist values curriculum into obligatory courses in the universities to control studentsí ideology and to prevent them from being westernized and implemented a series of measures in order to strengthen the control of public opinion. Propaganda and brainwashing is the Talisman of the Chinese communist party, and they are good at inciting national sentiment. In this situation where nationalism prevailed in China, I am described as a traitor by the government. I felt so helpless and desperate in Shanghai because I found out that those nationalists in the restaurants that I visited had started to put laxative into my food as I went to the bathroom every time after meal and I saw that they put an evil eye on me. With disappointment and fear I went back to my home town Anshan in September 2014. After my return, the Chinese NSS called me to invent me to visit them to have a talk. I went to their siege in Anshan. During the meeting, they tried to make me compromise and said that they didnít make troubles to me, I acquiesced because I had nothing to say at that moment. I thought that this nightmare could disappear, a few days later, I opened my online shop that sells the clothes on an online platform. Unfortunately, they didnít stop persecuting me. I found out that they intercepted the message between me and my client, and continued to make troubles to me. I realized that they had cut off all my source of income. In this new situation, I became irritable. I heart that familiar ironical laugh from the floor over my apartment which is in a new residence and saw hacker attacks. The spies upstairs monitored me and knew everything about me. They knew what I like to ate, my habits and my schedule. I was tired of living under constant surveillance, and started to give them†verbal†abuse and to tell my story to everybody that I met on the internet. In order to make me shut up, they drove fast straight to me for threatening me when I was taking a walk outside. I became more angry and kicked their door upstairs for hitting back. Maybe they noticed that I would not compromise so they wanted to kill me. They knew that I went to the supermarket nearby to buy yogurts every week, thatís why they could succeed to poison in the yogurts that I bought from there. After I ate the yogurts, I felt bloating, chest tightness, fatigued, anorexic, and always burp, aflatoxin poisoning was suspected, it was almost to the brink of death. I went to the hospital for examination, the doctor was perfunctory under external intervention, so I had to condition myself and barely survived. This was not finished, they found out that I had stopped to eat the yogurt so they took other measures. I always heart that they were cutting the floor and moving machines and I felt that the speed of my thinking gradually slowed down especially when I woke up in the morning. I suspected that they were illuminating my head using the machine when I was sleeping. In order to verify my suspicion, I putted my head on the end of the bed when I slept, to my surprise, I heart at once restless footsteps after their realizing that I had found out what they had done to me. I suddenly realized that my head had been illuminated by french spies when I was living in Residence Galois in the campus of University of Lille 1 in Villeneuve d'ascq in France for the Academic year 2011-2012 because I also heard that someone had been moving the machine from the floor over my room and I felt unconscious after I had moved there. I thought this was why the french government could spread rumors all over the world saying that I am a idiot.
With the hope to find the proof, I went to Beijing in June 2015 with the rest of yogurts in order to look for a NGO who might help me. I called the Doctors Without Borders, but they refused to help me under external pressure. I was so hopeless that I throw away the yogurts and went to Hong Kong. To my surprise, I found out that spies were always monitoring me no matter where I am. I thought that I could not live in China with fears and pains and had to flee from China to survive.
So I hopefully came to Saipan from Hong Kong by plane on June 18th, I thought that I could get rid of spies and live quietly. But thatís not true, I found out that the spies just stayed in the next room in the hotel. I saw also the discrimination looks from the supermarket salespersons. I know that the forces of the Chinese Communist Party have extended here in Saipan. I am both physically and psychologically devastated endlessly.
I went back to Hong kong to find some other solutions, but just after my going back to Hong kong on July 1st, the Chinese government began to arrest the human rights activists and lawyers, so I thought that the situation had aggravated and went back to Saipan again on July 17th fearing I would be arrested in China. The had never left me away, from the rude attitudes of the staffs in the hotel and the discriminate looks from the salespersons of the supermarkets, I was aware of that I was not welcomed in Saipan. They also made troubles to prevent me from renting a house, I had never felt being rejected like this.
I went back again to China on July 22th with miss to my family hoping that they would not harm me if I didn't condemn the Chinese Communist Party. But just after I arrived on July 22th in Shenzhen where I would take the train for going back to Anshan, the spies in Shenzhen had poisoned in the cakes that I bought from the supermaket in face of my hotel for breakfast of the next morning. After I had eaten the cakes, I felt fatigued, chest tightness, ill with vomiting, I even stayed in bed for all day of july 23th. After I had returned to Anshan, I found out that the spies were still there waiting for my arrive. They illuminated my head as usual and they hacked my computer to prevent me from making profits from doing forex trades. They had totally deprived my right of life feeling that leaving China is my best solution. So I came back to Saipan on January 28th hoping american people could save me. To my surprise, I feel that this is a ilands fully bribed by the Chinese Communist Party as people here in Saipan help them spread rumors and defile my personality. I can't see human rights here.

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Response to jack528 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:03 PM

12. I am so sorry for your persecution.

 

I hope that someday you will enjoy the freedom we do.

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Response to Silver_Witch (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:42 PM

10. So, just ignore what she said so that you can smear her as being against the thing

 

she's been actively promoting for decades?

The desperation is amazing.

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Response to synergie (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:04 PM

13. This is typical Hillary Supporter

 

You don't say what she has actively been promoting for decades - you just ignore the truth and try to make the good things cancel out all the bad.

Tell me please what has she been promoting for decades?

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