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Fri Jun 30, 2017, 09:40 AM

The Election. Blame for losing. And USA's future.

All over the internet, you will see blame on why Hillary lost the election. The blame goes to Bernie, Jill Stein, Wasserman-Schultz, the media, etc...

In my opinion, there is only one reason that the election went haywire. It was rigged. Plain and simple, the election was hacked and rigged. As more evidence comes out, I think this gets clearer. Now we find that NO voting machines were checked and it looks like there isn't plans for it either, despite the latest news showing that hacking was going on. Yes, I do believe that the machines themselves were hacked.

This was a stolen election, plain and simple, even more so than 2000. And if we don't do anything about it, which no Republican congressman or leader wants to do, then the future elections will be hacked as well. The US is being destroying and all we voters can do is watch.

the third world war was fought in cyber-space, and the Russians won.

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Reply The Election. Blame for losing. And USA's future. (Original post)
padfun Jun 2017 OP
aquamarina Jun 2017 #1
xajj4791 Jul 2017 #2
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #3
xajj4791 Jul 2017 #4
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #5

Response to padfun (Original post)

Fri Jun 30, 2017, 10:00 AM

1. I totally agree.

Everyone has the right to vote for who ever they want to. That being said we also have the right to vote without interference and to have our votes counted accurately. And I have no doubt that if an open and accurate count had occurred in 2000 Gore would have been president - even with Nader still in the mix. And the 2004 Kerry matter would have been moot.

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Response to padfun (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:38 PM

2. Why we did (and will) lose

 

Yes there was hacking at the election and it was probably enough to steal the election from Hillary Clinton, but there are bigger reasons why we lost and are losing all over the country.

1. Hillary Clinton: A nationwide concerted effort was made to smear her name and paint her as a conniving liar that has been going on since she was the first lady and dared to comment on Healthcare. Nothing competent was done to counter this action. While no one could have guessed at the time that she would go on to be the Democratic nominee for President for 2016, anytime effort of that level is spent and no counter is made, it will hurt the Democratic Party. We just do not know when or how at that time.

2. The Democratic Party stands against the Republican party. Everything has gone polar and the Republican Party has an identity that resonates with their base. The Republicans are pro-life, pro-white, pro-christian, and pro-American (also known as anti-abortion, anti-muslim, anti-minorities, and anti-immigrants). The Democratic party is simply known as the one that is against the Republican Party. An attempt must be made to forge an identity specific to the Democratic Party that does not require the Republican Party for it to exist. The start they have made with a strong economic plan is just that, a start. They need to find out what the voters want and what can be done to create an identity out of voters desires. A good start would be building a strong middle class, increasing healthcare while decreasing individual costs, and using government to benefit all citizens.

3. Propaganda must be countered and it must be countered with effective messages. This requires the identity from part 2. Money must be spent to compensate for the money spent but not in such a way as our values are destroyed in the process. You cannot allow a message to be sent out and make no response or make a weak response. This is the age of social media and any messages that resonate with the voters gets sent out en mass and immediately.

As for hacking the election, Congress needs to take a firm stance, investigate all possible cases of election hacking, and make policies that prohibit hacking in the future or tampering of any kind. This year it works in their favor. Next time it might work against them. That is one thing we have to come together and fix with severe penalties. But it is not something the Democratic Party can do to stop losing seats in the House and Senate, local governments, governorships, and the President.

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Response to xajj4791 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:52 PM

3. Well, duh, Obama did exactly what you order


Regardless, Welcome to DU.

A good start would be building a strong middle class, increasing healthcare while decreasing individual costs, and using government to benefit all citizens.


Obama rescued the middle class by preventing the Great Recession from becoming the Second Great Depression.

Obama increased healthcare by 24 million people and cut individual costs. Not good enough for you.

Obama used government to benefit all citizens in as many ways as the Republicon controlled Congress would allow him.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:54 PM

4. Obama did those things

 

Yes, Obama worked on some of those things. He did not really rescue the middle class but he did help it, he pushed through "Obamacare" with some issues causing some problems as well, and he tried to use the government to help people but was blunted in every way by the Republican led House and Senate..

My post was more about the Democratic Party and it's way forward and not just the actions of one person. Just because Obama did those things does not mean that is an identity and "what it means to be a Democrat".

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Response to xajj4791 (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:01 PM

5. OK, you are thinking along good lines. Carry on. . . nt

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