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Fri May 6, 2016, 02:23 AM

Donald Trump backs Brexit

The UK would be "better off without" the European Union, US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has said.

He told Fox News the migration crisis had been a "horrible thing for Europe" and blamed the EU for driving it.

The Republican said he was not making a "recommendation" but his "feeling" was that the UK should vote to sever ties with the EU in its 23 June referendum.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36219612

This has to be the best argument for remaining.

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Reply Donald Trump backs Brexit (Original post)
Bad Dog May 2016 OP
LisaM May 2016 #1
CountAllVotes May 2016 #3
Bad Dog May 2016 #11
Bad Dog May 2016 #10
LeftishBrit May 2016 #2
Bad Dog May 2016 #9
snot May 2016 #4
T_i_B May 2016 #5
Bad Dog May 2016 #13
T_i_B May 2016 #14
Bad Dog May 2016 #15
muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #6
LeftishBrit May 2016 #7
Bad Dog May 2016 #12
Bad Dog May 2016 #8
Denzil_DC May 2016 #16
snot May 2016 #17
T_i_B May 2016 #18
Bad Dog May 2016 #19
snot May 2016 #21
Bad Dog May 2016 #22
LeftishBrit May 2016 #20

Response to Bad Dog (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:28 AM

1. That ought to kill the Brexit.

The Brits don't care for Trump.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:40 AM

3. No one cares for tRump

except a batch of fascists here in the USA!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #3)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:29 AM

11. Which is why it's a good thing.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #1)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:28 AM

10. He's despised over here.

This is good news for those of us who want to remain.

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Response to Bad Dog (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:33 AM

2. If I weren't already pro-Remain, this would have convinced me!

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #2)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:28 AM

9. Agreed, it's a gift to the Remain campaign.

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Response to Bad Dog (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 02:47 AM

4. Here's the problem:

He's right.

And his score lately is better than those of most other Repub and Dem heads (other than Bernie's).

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Response to snot (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:23 AM

5. Here's the problem

He's wrong. As per usual.

The EU is flawed, but it's better for all of us if we all work together, and trade openly with each other rather than fighting each other and closing ourselves off to the rest of the world.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #5)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:31 AM

13. He's a wealthy oligarch.

Who wants a City with lax rules so he can avoid tax.

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Response to Bad Dog (Reply #13)

Fri May 6, 2016, 06:06 AM

14. It also says something

That the "leave" side's grand plan for Britain is heavily dependent on America electing a blatant fascist in November.

I'll take Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande over old fartface any day.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #14)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:13 AM

15. I'd take Keith Harris and Orville.

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Response to snot (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:36 AM

6. You're saying Trump is right to be anti-migration?

That the UK should leave the EU because of fear of migrants?

You're wrong.

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Response to snot (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 03:40 AM

7. No, he isn't

The EU, as presently constituted has plenty of faults - too bureaucratic; too inflexible and bad at dealing with the diversity of the member states; too many people on a gravy train.

BUT getting out would be worse. It would mean economic chaos at a time when the economy is problematic anyway; less trade. We would not be more independent, but more dependent on leaders outside the EU, who are often less democratic; e.g. Putin; the Chinese government - and Trump if godforbid he were to be elected. And the British politicians and media types who back Brexit are mostly hard-right: they aren't pro-Brexit because they think the EU are too inflexible or too pro-austerity; they are pro-Brexit because Europe is full of bloody foreigners and if we got out we might have fewer bloody immigrants. I do not want to increase their power in the UK - if there even is a UK after a 'Leave' vote; Scotland, who are very pro-Remain might well choose remaining in the EU over remaining in the UK.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #7)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:30 AM

12. Spot on.

I agree completely.

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Response to snot (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 05:27 AM

8. He's not right.

He's dead wrong.

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Response to snot (Reply #4)

Fri May 6, 2016, 07:59 AM

16. OK, you're taking flak for a very cryptic comment.

"Right" about what? How about you explain how he's "right"?

Bear in mind that if you're not in or from the UK, your perspective may differ greatly from that of those of us who are and have more than distant media coverage on which to base our views (though not all of us will necessarily be in favour of staying in the EU).

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Response to Bad Dog (Original post)

Fri May 6, 2016, 11:55 PM

17. No, I'm saying what I said.

Britain would be better off without the EU. At least, all the European countries that continue to control their own currencies are better off than those that don't.

I'm not saying Trump is right about everything, but he's right about some things.

I never said anything to suggest I'm against free trade. (What I am against is free trade premised on lowering labor, environmental, and other standards to the lowest common denominator – that's neither inevitable nor necessary.)

I'm not sure whether the EU helped drive the migration crisis, but all of our failure to address the causes more effectively have allowed it to happen.

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Response to snot (Reply #17)

Sat May 7, 2016, 01:35 AM

18. The EU has actually helped raise standards

Which is why most trade unions support us staying in, and environmental groups even more so. In contrast the "Leave" campaign is dominated by climate change deniers and people who want to put a wrecking ball through workers rights.

And as far as free trade goes, that's exactly what the EU single market gives us, and what we will lose by leaving. Which makes leaving the EU economic suicide.

So you continue to be wrong, much like old fartface.

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Response to snot (Reply #17)

Sat May 7, 2016, 04:30 AM

19. I think your post was intended for someone else.

The EU has been responsible for an extended period of peace. We wouldn't be as successful economically if it wasn't for them. More importantly it acts as a balance against American influence.

If all you're worried about is the common currency then here's some news. Britain is not in the Eurozone, we have our own currency as it is.

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Response to Bad Dog (Reply #19)

Sat May 7, 2016, 03:29 PM

21. Sorry, yes, my comment was intended for someone else.

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Response to snot (Reply #21)

Tue May 10, 2016, 04:09 AM

22. Easily done.

No worries.

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Response to snot (Reply #17)

Sat May 7, 2016, 05:22 AM

20. I used to be anti-EU myself, but have changed my mind some time ago, as I think the alternatives are

worse.

I do prefer keeping our own currency to joining the Euro - though some of the better-off countries (Germany, Finland, the Netherlands) do use it, as well as some of the worst-off countries (Greece, Spain, Portugal). But belonging to the EU does not require use of the Euro, and many EU countries including the UK have no intention of doing so. For that matter, a country can choose to use the Euro without being in the EU, e.g. Kosovo.

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