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non sociopath skin

(4,972 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:07 AM Apr 2013

So she's gone, eh?

Sic transit gloria. I often wondered how I'd feel at this moment. The reality is that, while I can't mourn her, given the terrible things she did to my community and my profession, I'm not moved to dance on her grave either. She has gone. That's it for me.

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So she's gone, eh? (Original Post) non sociopath skin Apr 2013 OP
Yep.. pipoman Apr 2013 #1
She's Gone CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #2
That massive queue you see, mr blur Apr 2013 #3
Can take the statue out of storage. Downwinder Apr 2013 #4
She hasn't. She lives on in the shrivelled hearts of Osborne, Duncan-Smith, Cameron et al. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #5
If I were Dave (unhappy thought!) I'd be careful. non sociopath skin Apr 2013 #9
Her power to divide people has tended to cause Thatcher to be overrated fedsron2us Apr 2013 #10
If nothing else.... T_i_B Apr 2013 #11
"ceremonial funeral with military honours" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #6
I think that's a massive waste of tax-payers money... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #7
a memorable day for all Brits, one way or the other, nuff said nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #8
From Hilaire Belloc, many years ago (I've changed the gender of the character!) LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #12
This is my latest song about her and her legacy LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #13

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
2. She's Gone
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:15 AM
Apr 2013

and nothing's gonna bring her back ...

It is not nice to speak ill of the dead so I shall not say a word.



LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
5. She hasn't. She lives on in the shrivelled hearts of Osborne, Duncan-Smith, Cameron et al.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:35 AM
Apr 2013

Am not looking forward to the Tory campaign hoopla, aka memorials and funeral, during the next days.

non sociopath skin

(4,972 posts)
9. If I were Dave (unhappy thought!) I'd be careful.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:19 PM
Apr 2013

Thatcher was no Queen Mum, no Princess Di, no Winston Churchill, but a deeply divisive "conviction politician" whom two fifths supported and many of the other three fifths loathed as no politician of modern times has been loathed before or since (though, admittedly, Blair did try very hard ...).

Burying her at public expense and with full telly coverage may not play well everywhere during a local election campaign.

On a lighter note, she didn't half rain on Nick Clegg's parade today, did she?

The Skin

fedsron2us

(2,863 posts)
10. Her power to divide people has tended to cause Thatcher to be overrated
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:18 PM
Apr 2013

both in her achievements and her failings. In truth she was less significant as a 20th Century political figure than Lloyd George, Attlee and Churchill all of whom surpassed her either in ability or as leaders. Nor do I think was she a greater Tory Prime Minister than Stanley Baldwin who also won a number of elections and had to negotiate many obstacles from the Great Depression to the royal abdication. Baldwin's achievements in improving public housing, helping regenerate British industry in the 1930s and ensuring fascism never got off the ground in Britain in the 1930s were all greater than anything Thatcher managed in her term of office.

Above all people should note that the 'Lady's Not For Turning' slogan was one of the greatest political con tricks of all time. the reality was that Thatcher did a complete U Turn on economic policy in the mid 1980s when she dropped monetarism and adopted the city wide boy, derivative driven, ponzi credit model that has caused two massive speculative booms and busts in the space of little more than 25 years. When your bank goes bust, your pension evaporates. your job gets outsourced, your privatized energy bill goes through the roof, your rail season ticket increases more than inflation and you can not find an NHS dentist you can thank Maggie for setting those processes in motion.

T_i_B

(14,734 posts)
11. If nothing else....
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:05 AM
Apr 2013

...much of the internet will be best avoided for the flame wars between Thatcher devotees and those who despise her and all that she stood for.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,154 posts)
6. "ceremonial funeral with military honours"
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:03 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/apr/08/miliband-clegg-local-elections-cameron-madrid#block-5162bbe8b579a0655085fc64

which is what Princess Di got (the BBC also compared it to the Queen Mother, who did lie in state). It seems a bit brown-nosing, to me. I can't find it in myself to cheer (as I did when she was forced to resign), but there was too much damage she did, knowing it hurt people, for her to deserve an honour like that.
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
7. I think that's a massive waste of tax-payers money...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:33 AM
Apr 2013

...bury the old hag and move on..you know, like she did to the Unions and industry in her time..

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
12. From Hilaire Belloc, many years ago (I've changed the gender of the character!)
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:04 PM
Apr 2013

Here richly, with ridiculous display,
The Politician's corpse was laid away.
While all of her acquaintance sneered and slanged,
I wept, for I had longed to see her hanged.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
13. This is my latest song about her and her legacy
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 05:33 AM
Apr 2013

(With many apologies to Alfred Hayes and the subject of his song, Joe Hill,, neither of whom would have cared for Thatcher!)

I dreamt that Thatcher stood right here,
Alive as you and me.
I said, ‘I heard that you were dead!’
‘I never died’, said she.

‘As Osborne cuts the welfare state
And cuts rich people’s tax.
As Hunt sells off the NHS,
You see me with my axe!

Whenever you reward success
By punishing the poor;
When Duncan-Smith strikes at the sick,
You see me even more!

In Cyprus, Greece and Portugal,
In Europe far and wide,
Poor people groan beneath the cuts.
You see I haven’t died!

Obama once had liberal plans.
The Congress told him, ‘No!’
So old age pensions must go down!;
You see – I’ll never go!

From Blair and Bush to Cameron;
From London to D.C.;
Where governments still crush the poor,
You’ll there find Maggie T.!’




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