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Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:02 AM

Boris Johnson explains post-Brexit trade between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK

Here he is addressing a gathering of Northern Ireland Conservatives at the Tayto Crisps factory yesterday:

Manufacturing NI @ManufacturingNI

From tonight’s meeting with local Conservatives - @armstrong_irwin

Manufacturing NI

Most of the video (limited you 140 seconds) now uploaded

[Twitter video]

Predictably, if not inevitably, various people who know about these things have chimed in to explain that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, even if you can filter out all the waffling.

Here's Lewis Goodall of Sky News:

Lewis Goodall

Official documents from his own government say the precise opposite of what the Prime Minister is saying here.

Lewis Goodall

See my story from October 23rd. Checks in both directions. pic.twitter.com/E51cUwb9lq

Here's the Guardian's Brexit Correspondent:

Johnson accused of misunderstanding own Brexit deal after NI remarks

Boris Johnson has declared he will not “implement” or “enact” checks on goods from Northern Ireland to Great Britain despite arrangements for customs controls under the Brexit deal he agreed last month with the EU.

In a visit to Northern Ireland, he told business representatives that elements of his Brexit deal related to exports from the region were greatly “misunderstood” and did not involve physical checks of goods.
He said: “There will not be checks, and I speak as the prime minister of the United Kingdom, and a passionate unionist. There will not be checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to Great Britain because we’re the government of the United Kingdom and we will not institute or implement or enact such checks.

“The idea that Tayto crisps from Tandragee are going be vetted by some process is just nonsense.”


And here's Anna Jerzewska, a free trade specialist:

Dr Anna Jerzewska

Great example of why after #Brexit the UK won’t be able to just wave goods through and we will need #customs formalities AND checks, incl for NI to GB trade. Especially if we want to sign FTAs.

Short explainer on why customs matters

Some Chinese goods are currently subject to additional tariffs or anti-dumping measures in the US and the EU due to the local market practices being deemed unfair (e.g. selling goods below the market value etc).

Let’s take one example from the article, EU’s anti-dumping measures on Chinese bikes. They are designed to protect the EU producers against unfair competition from China.

The EU has also recently signed an FTA with Vietnam and currently grants preferential treatment to Vietnam in other ways.
#Rulesoforigin in these agreements are designed to ensure that only goods manufactured in Vietnam have preferential access to EU markets.

Such local content rules ensure that producers in other countries e.g. China cannot obtain access to EU markets without offering something in return (a bit of a simplistic take but that’s the basic principle).

Chinese companies set up fake factories in Vietnam to make it look like the goods are manufactured there and to circumvent EU rules, safeguard measures and taxes.

Obviously, Vietnam does not want to jeopardise its relationship with the EU and the new FTA. In super simple terms, it doesn't want to look like it can't be trusted as a trading partner.

So such practices by Chinese exporters are risky and damaging for both the EU and Vietnam. Not to mention would allow China to avoid paying the right amount of tariffs. That’s why Vietnamese customs authorities will be doing more checks and inspections.

Do you see where I’m going with this example?

Customs controls matter, customs checks matter. They don’t need to be done at the border but they are needed.

In order for customs authorities to do their job, they need to have information on what’s crossing the border, where is it from, who manufactured/produced it etc.

This is where customs declarations come in (paperwork). They are a way to declare this info to customs authorities.

Checks, of paperwork or of goods themselves (e.g. loaded trucks) are introduced to verify that this info is true.
As well as to protect the market from smuggling and dangerous goods.

Yes, we can be flexible and inventive when it comes to NI-GB trade. And yes NI will technically be in UK's customs territory.

But if we want to sign trade deals our trade partners will want to know which goods come from NI and which from ROI and we need to find a way to collect this info.
EU FTA partners will want to ensure goods come from the EU and not GB

And this is why customs is important in international trade.

It can be streamlined and improved, sure, but all the formalities have been put in place for a reason.



Others, including me, are asking why, if it's such a great deal for Northern Ireland and freedom of movement and access to the single market is so desirable, the same sort of deal hasn't been extended to the rest of the UK:

Adam Bienkov

“Northern Ireland has got a great deal. You keep free movement. You keep access to the single market.”

[Twitter video]

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Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:48 AM

2. Ironic he should be speaking at the fake Tayto Factory ....

This is the real one

And this is the usurper

Happy to help

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Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:02 PM

3. Updated Guardian Headline: Johnson accused of misleading public over Brexit deal after NI remarks

Source: The Guardian

Johnson accused of misleading public over Brexit deal after NI remarks

PM says there will be no checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to rest of UK

Heather Stewart, Jennifer Rankin and Lisa O'Carroll
Fri 8 Nov 2019 19.32 GMT
First published on Fri 8 Nov 2019 09.57 GMT

Boris Johnson has been accused of misleading the public about his own Brexit deal, after footage emerged of him telling exporters in Northern Ireland they will not need to fill in extra paperwork.


The video, shot on Thursday night in Northern Ireland, showed him reassuring worried exporters they will not have to fill in customs declarations when they send goods across the Irish Sea. In answer to a question from an exporter about whether his business would have to complete extra forms, Johnson said: “You will absolutely not.”

He recommended that if any business is asked to fill in such paperwork, they should telephone the prime minister “and I will direct them to throw that form in the bin”.

That appeared to flatly contradict the Brexit secretary, who gave testimony to the House of Lords recently that businesses would need to complete “exit summary declarations” when sending shipments from Northern Ireland to the rest of the UK.


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/08/boris-johnson-goods-from-northern-ireland-to-gb-wont-be-checked-brexit

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Sat Nov 9, 2019, 05:58 AM

4. He claimed this agreement could have been put through parliament in 2 days.

Either he just lies freely whenever he talks about it, or he's never understood the deal he wanted to force on everyone. Whatever, he's not fit to be PM.

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