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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:07 PM

Harper’s gamble with First Nations’ rage

As the old year passes, Stephen Harper faces a dilemma: If he can’t attend at Chief Theresa’s Spence’s teepee, how could he possibly attend her funeral?

And yet, if should she should starve herself to death because the PM refuses to meet with her, how could he stay away? With each wasted day, it gets less and less likely the prime minister will blink. After all, what would be the explanation for attending on the 18th day of Chief Spence’s fast as opposed to, say, the 11th or 25th day? The photo opportunity — Christmas Eve or Christmas Day — has already come and gone.

And who would send Senator Patrick Brazeau as an emissary on any issue, even if you could get him to stop brushing his hair long enough to memorize his speaking notes? This is the guy who effectively called a CP reporter a bitch, who dubbed the former native organization he headed up a “Mickey Mouse” operation, and who is now suing that same organization — which he says should cooperate with him as a Canadian senator. Brazeau claims that Theresa Spence isn’t a good role model for native kids. Maybe Justin Trudeau punched him a little harder than anyone knows.



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Reply Harper’s gamble with First Nations’ rage (Original post)
arikara Dec 2012 OP
tama Dec 2012 #1
Tindalos Jan 2013 #3
tama Jan 2013 #4
Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2012 #2
MAD Dave Jan 2013 #5
David J Spetch Jan 2013 #6
David J Spetch Jan 2013 #7

Response to arikara (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 06:31 PM

1. Nothing but boring white dude politics


and no voice for first nations. After reading that article, I know nothing more of the reasons for the hunger strike and what are the demands.

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Response to tama (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:42 PM

3. They're protesting the Omnibus bill C45

and the historic mistreatment of Canada's First Nations.

" History of Idle No More Grassroots Movement
Idle No More began with 4 ladies; Nina Wilson, Sylvia McAdam, Jessica Gordon & Sheelah McLean who felt it was urgent to act on current and upcoming legislation that not only affects our First Nations people but the rest of Canada's citizens, lands and waters.

The focus is on grassroots voices, treaty and sovereignty, it began in the early part of October when discussing Bill C 45. All 4 women knew that this was a time to act, as this bill and other proposed legislation would affect not only Indigenous people but also the lands, water and the rest of Canada.
With the focus on the most urgent bill knowing it would initiate attention to all other legislation, the 4 ladies held rallies and teach-ins to generate discussion and provide information. They then decided a nation wide event was garnered so all could participate, thus, The National Day of Solidarity & Resurgence was called for December 10th, 2012, to oppose all legislation and to build solidarity while asserting inherent rights and nationhood while protecting our lands for all people.

These colonial forms of legislation that the government expects to unilaterally impose on us has brought us together, to stand together - Jessica Gordon"


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Response to Tindalos (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:53 PM

4. Thanks friend


and here's invitation to the facebook event, in case you are not already participating: http://www.facebook.com/events/389208057833663/

It's gone and going beyond national event to global movement. Nation state governments have no authority over global community to ruin our common planet.

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Response to arikara (Original post)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 07:30 PM

2. I wouldn't rule out Harper meeting with Chief Spence.

Because he cares? Hell no, its because he is a cold calculating ideologue.

What does Harper want from all of this.

1) He wants to avoid escalation to another Oka Crisis. I'll bet the RCMP have have him quite well informed of any potentially explosive situations, and he's already obtained her health records and presumes that she probably won't die. But guaranteed, he's not ignoring the situation and sending Patrick Brazeau was a carefully calculated insult.

2) He wants to dissolve the federal governments financial responsibility for the welfare of First Nations.

3) He wants pipelines, and resource development.

So, presuming that she doesn't die, or give up I wouldn't be surprised if he gives her a 15 minute audience, in which he concedes nothing other than a vague promise to study the situation and introduce legislation in 2013. Crisis averted.

So what will that legislation be: Private ownership of reserve land.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-government-to-introduce-law-to-allow-private-property-on-reserves/article4464434/ and

Such legislation will be widely accepted by the general populace, why? Because everyone loves private ownership... right?, and personal accountability and government de-leverging is all the rage.

Harper knows that although most of the First Nations stand together, and behind Chief Spence, not all do. And that is the key to pipelines and resource development. There will be some bands, that dispite their traditional belief of communal and perpetual stewardship, will not be able to resist voluntarily opting in to private ownership of their lands, and then reselling them for development.

Divide and conquer under the guise of making good.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:19 PM

5. Joe, you have it 100% correct.....

.....PM Harper is a "cold calculating ideologue" that could give a shit whether Chief Spence lives or dies. All he cares about it further advancing his neoconservative agenda.

I agree with your analysis of his probable way of dealing with Chief Spence and Idle No More.

If you haven't already I suggest you read "Harperland" by Lawrence Martin. It quite succinctly describes Harper and his rise to power.

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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:28 AM

7. Funny thing I was trying to post about this issue but I need to post more replies before I can post


so if you want to read it now here it is

One of Canada's Elected Officials Is Fired Up Over My Articles On Land Claims

Thank you once again for your time towards this urgency. (The article that started all of this you will find at the bottom of this composition) Without any further delay, get ready to feast your eyes:

One of Canada's Elected Officials Is Fired Up Over My Articles On Land Claims

(Out of respect for this individual, I have messaged them explaining that I will not include their name in what I am about to share with the public. If this person writes me back telling me that it is ok with them, I will come back and gladly edit their name in) This is what the elected official just sent:

Subject: Re: Does Chief Theresa Spence Pay Taxes Like Canadian Citizens Or Live Free Of Taxes On A Reserve?
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:41:12 +0000

The greatest injustice to any indigenous nations was done in Canada. Treaties were signed to give the settlers and the Dominion of Canada access the land and resources. In return the indigenous nations agreed not to molest the settlers. The indigenous nations kept their word. The Crown didn't. It wasn't the indigenous nations who wanted treaties. The dominion of Canada came looking for the indigenous nations to sign treaties. The nations reluctantly agreed to sign. This injustice must be corrected. Otherwise there will always be turmoil and conflict between the First Peoples of this land and the successive governments of Canada. Canada will not a whole country unless justice is done.

Democracy freedom in this country came about because of the First Peoples generosity and cooperation. Many aboriginal people shed their blood on the battle fields fighting for Canada, to preserve the integrity of democracy and freedom. My dad, for example, shed his blood in France. My son just recently represented Canada in lands far away. The contribution to preserve the integrity of democracy by aboriginal soldiers was paid in blood, along side their comrades who represented many diverse cultures of Canada. There was brotherhood and honor amongst the soldiers regardless of their background. If veterans ran this country there would be justice.

The good news is there are more aboriginal people becoming lawyers, doctors, surgeons, managers, land developers, architects, engineers, teachers, professors, professional athletes, etc. And they all pay taxes, including property and income tax. They live in cities and townships throughout this great land. They are also part of governments and corporations that help build our national, regional, and local economies that strengthen the social fabric of Canada.

Just something to think about.


My response to this elected official:

Subject: RE: Does Chief Theresa Spence Pay Taxes Like Canadian Citizens Or Live Free Of Taxes On A Reserve?
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 05:28:08 -0500

Thank you for taking the time to construct a decent response to what I just shared.

1 / 6 Nations also invaded the land from the natural inhabitants in the first place. When settlers arrived, there was about enough 1 / 6 Nations people across North America to moderately populate Cuba. Just because You land on a continent then years later someone else wants to settle, claiming that someone stole your land is not only greedy, but quite the weak excuse when there is plenty of land that they did not even occupy more than a small fraction of in the first place.

Since then Canada, as well other countries of America have become globally recognized as countries. With our technological advances, there is no going back now unless something catastrophic were to happen to the planet itself.

The crown responded in accordance to the 1 / 6 nations not wanting anything to do with being governed with a solution hence the land claims. I do not think that Canada was it's own dominion at the time because the Monarchy still held our reigns did they not?!

What really makes me angry about how the 1 / 6 Nations were treated, was what the religious did to them by stealing their children but that's another story!

Democracy as well freedom was won, but most foundational was for the preservation of not only new settlers, but for the 1 / 6 nations themselves and not only their blood was spilt for Our freedom from the U.S.A.! As a matter of recalling, it was the British army who showed up that finally drove the U.S.A. into submission!

Indigenous, Canada is my historical land. Everyone here in Canada can be traced back to before Canada was occupied by humans to other parts of the globe! The injustice is that they chose to become a state sort of speak (live on their reserves chiefing themselves) instead of choosing to co operate with a tax based governing system. Now for that choice they have in many ways fallen behind the times and suffer for it. Now they just expect tax payers to flip the bill when they chose land to chief themselves and still expect land claims to be valid? You can't deny that they throw land claims treaties in the public's face quite often. You can't deny that despite some live in Canadian cities and even pay taxes (From my understanding they do not pay full taxes yet) and are making careers and working as a contributing member of society, that there are still those on the reserves not paying taxes yet they expect tax payers to flip their bill for governing services. Enough is enough.

If you have anything else that you would like to share **********, I would love to hear/ read it.

[one other thing, because I think we may very well be on the path to understanding one another, I think that the general public can benefit with understanding to the information you and I have shared with one another through interaction. I am however not going to include your name in any of what I share out of respect for you, unless you share with me that you are ok with it and perhaps even proud to demonstrate your stance. Then I will gladly edit your name (give you credit for your work) into what I share otherwise you will remain anonymous.]


David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!

(Part 2 Already) One of Canada's Elected Officials Is Fired Up Over My Articles On Land Claims etc.

(Again out of respect for this individual, I will not include their name in what I am about to share with the public.) This is what the elected official just sent:

Subject: Re: Does Chief Theresa Spence Pay Taxes Like Canadian Citizens Or Live Free Of Taxes On A Reserve?
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:28:22 +0000

You make some very interesting points. I fully realize there is much work to be done to educate all Canadians about Canada's history. We can't deny our history involves Treaty First Nations. The First Nation community I am a member of is Opaskwayak Cree Nation, formerly known as The Pas Band. In this community we have an economy. We own a large shopping mall that we paid for from selling aggregate to a local lumber and paper mill. We have a large Gas Station that sells over 11 million litres annually, we own a 4 star hotel that is fully paid, we own a Jr A Hockey club, we also own a cement + gravel company, in addition we recentlty built a state of the art medical center from our own source revenue, we're just completing a 900 seat community hall using funds from our own source revenue. We also a 10,000 sg ft grocery store and a large retail outlet that sells sports equipment and clothing. And we are partners in a regional casino which we paid for, We employ over 700 people. All home owners pay a service fee for water works, public works, garbage collection, and recreation. Some call it taxes the people prefer to call it service fees. We're the second largest employer in the region. We do approximately 28 million dollars of economic trade in the immediate area. Essentially we keep the regional economy functioning. I thought I would mention this because this community strives to reach our goal, Progress and Independence. We don't have oil or resource based industries other than aggregate. But we are experts in the retail, hospitality and service industries. We're not there yet, but I know I'll this goal reached in my lifetime.

There are First Nation Communities like Opaskwayak that do not depend on government for sustenance. To name a few they are, West Bank First Nation, Whitecap Dakota Nation, Buffalo Point, squamish, Georgina Island, and many more. These communities keep local and regional economies functioning.

As far as federal government funding is concerned. Jim Prentice, formerly the Minister of INAC and I had a discussion several years ago about funding. What he wanted to see was the funding should go directly, from Ottawa, to a First Nation. Same as what Canada does for Provincial Governments. he suggested the First Nations decide for them selves how those funds should be allocated. There would be some rules of course. Jim Prentice is forward thinking man.

Lots to learn about each other.


My response to this elected official:

Subject: RE: Does Chief Theresa Spence Pay Taxes Like Canadian Citizens Or Live Free Of Taxes On A Reserve?
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:12:12 -0500


You sound resourceful and proud of what Opaskwayak Cree Nation has built and accomplished in the modern world and I admit it made me smile but I have to ask, Opaskwayak Cree Nation did all of that without any Canadian Federal or Provincial funding or assistance? These service fees you speak of are paid to council of Opaskwayak Cree Nation which in turn uses that money for infrastructure etc.? Sounds allot like a tax base system only you are calling it a service fee instead of a tax.

The money goes from Ottawa back to the other Provinces because those people who are tax paying citizens living in those provinces pay Ottawa the very taxes that the Provinces get back from Ottawa to begin with. Why did Jim Prentice think that the money should go straight from Ottawa to the First Nations when the First Nations are not handing over taxes to Ottawa to begin with? Same with the Six nations?

Point being First and Six Nations are not co operating with the Canadian tax based governing system by contributing taxes like everyone else. There are no taxes going from reserves / from the First or Six Nations to the Canadian Federal Government.

Why is it so hard for the people of 1st and Six Nations to accept how a tax based governing system works when the First and Six Nations do not contribute taxes to Ottawa yet attempt to demand money from Ottawa because First and Six nations people are suffering without the obviously more successful, than the First and Six nations, Canadian tax based governing system? If the Canadian governing system were not as successful as the First and Six Nations, then the First and Six Nations would not have to keep trying to demand money from the Canadian Government. It must reveal by now to the First and Six Nations that the Canadian tax based governing system is not so bad, it is working for those who pay taxes and can't be that bad if the First and Six Nations keep attempting to demand tax dollars because the First and Six Nations are obviously suffering for not choosing to become a part of Canada's tax based governing democracy in the first place and all these years later still to this day. First and Six Nations must realize that choosing land claims instead of Canadian governing, is not as successful as the Canadian government quite obviously proves to be!

I would absolutely love too see us all live as equal tax paying citizens with equal opportunity to make something of ourselves as individuals and as a country together. It would be nice to see the First and Six Nations admit and act upon the potential we have to become strong as a Country together. It would be nice to see MP's, MLA's, MPP's rise from what are for now called land claims or reserves as Canadian tax paying / communities where everyone pays taxes like all other citizens of Canada and again reap the rewards of participating in the tax based governing system thus helping us all progress together as a Country with everyone on the inside. Think of the Impact with people, living for now on what are for now reserves, having the power to vote for their elected official to participate in the Canadian democratic process. The sooner the First and Six Nations acts in this positive direction, the sooner we can work together to shape out tax based governing democracy.

I can't blame you for having a dream, but do you really expect to accomplish what you claim for now that you want to accomplish for the Opaskwayak Cree Nation when I passionately move forward to accomplish what I share with you for all First and Six nations people as well all Canadians?!

I enjoy these interactions very much, it is of course for the well being of the future of all involved.


David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!

And finally here is the initial article which sparked interest from the elected Canadian Official:

Does Chief Theresa Spence Pay Taxes Like Canadian Citizens Or Live Free Of Taxes On A Reserve?

Again how can this be made any more clear.

Upon completion of the war from 1812 - 1814 the First and Six Nations wanted nothing to do with government, they wanted land to chief themselves.

We all know and have seen on the news all of this protesting about honouring land claims so why are they trying to get away with us to accept their land claims like Canadian tax payers are a bunch of imbeciles while they seek to have the Canadian government fund them at tax payers expense?

The reason that they wanted Land to chief themselves hence the treaties, was because they wanted nothing to do with governing. So now all of these generations later they expect Canadian governing services at tax payers expense while expecting land claims to remain valid?! If they want assistance from the Canadian tax based governing system that's fine but first give up your land claims and start paying taxes like every other Canadian citizen and lets grow strong together as a country!

Enough of these selfish / greedy schemes to soak tax payers! Enough!


David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!

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