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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:07 PM

Tea Party asks Walker not to comply with Obamacare

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is caught in a crossfire of political heat as the clock ticks down to Friday's deadline to comply with a federal deadline to submit a plan to create a state-run health care insurance cooperative exchange for Wisconsin residents by Friday.




If Walker caves in to the extremeists, it will be a powerful card played against him in 2014.

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Reply Tea Party asks Walker not to comply with Obamacare (Original post)
Jimbo S Nov 2012 OP
WCGreen Nov 2012 #1
charmay Nov 2012 #2
Scuba Nov 2012 #3
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #4
Poiuyt Nov 2012 #5
sybylla Nov 2012 #6
sybylla Nov 2012 #7
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #8
sybylla Nov 2012 #9
mojowork_n Nov 2012 #10

Response to Jimbo S (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:14 PM

1. Now Walker has to decide if he leans toward the fringe of a minority party....

Or what is good for the state...

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Response to Jimbo S (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:23 PM

2. He also has an election in two years.

Wisconsin went for Obama and Baldwin. He knows that we aren't the deep red state that he and his hacks would have us believe. Does he want to keep looking like a right wing tea party puppet? It'll be interesting to see how he plays (and spins) it.

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Response to Jimbo S (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:17 PM

3. I hope he lets the clock run out and we get the fed plan.


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Response to Jimbo S (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:03 PM

4. Cognitive Dissonance had a pretty informative post a few days ago.

Walker was quoted as saying something along the lines of, 'the deadline's no big deal, the fed's aren't likely to review anything we send them for months, anyway.'


He quoted a Citizen Action summary that concluded:

“The Walker Administration is clearly in a bind because it does not want a federal exchange nor does it want a state exchange which meets minimum consumer protection standards,” said Robert Kraig, Executive Director of Citizen Action of Wisconsin. “Based on the record, our concern is that the Walker Administration will try to square the circle by submitting a plan for a substandard exchange which allows health insurers to sell inferior insurance. This could set up a showdown between Walker and federal authorities that could further delay planning for the implementation of health care reform in Wisconsin."

It's a very good recap of what's been going on.


Just saw this in another thread, re-pasting Scuba's response in an excerpt ("the stupid burns bright and hot in Wisconsin," he notes) quote from our own Urinal-Sentinel:


Nine Wisconsin Republican Lawmakers Back Arresting Federal Officials Who Implement Obamacare

In addition to (Chris) Kapenga, those listed as supporting the Campaign for Liberty's positions are Sen. Mary Lazich of New Berlin; Reps. Don Pridemore of Hartford; Erik Severson of Star Prairie; Tom Larson of Colfax; Scott Krug of Wisconsin Rapids; and three Republicans elected for the first time last week who will be sworn in early next year - Rob Hutton of Brookfield, Mark Born of Beaver Dam and Dave Murphy of Greenville.

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Response to Jimbo S (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:01 PM

5. Does Scott Walker Have a Secret Health Care Plan?

Here's an email I just received from Robert Kraig:

Even after the Supreme Court ruled, Governor Scott Walker repeatedly announced that he had suspended all planning for a health insurance exchanges until after the election, hoping that Mitt Romney would win and would repeal Obamacare.

Now that President Obama has been re-elected, and ObamaCare is here to stay, Walker faces an immediate deadline. He now has only until this Friday to decide whether or not to create a Wisconsin health insurance exchange.

Citizen Action has been quoted often in a flurry of new reports across the state calling attention to the looming deadline facing Walker. As disturbing as it is that Walker has played politics with the health security of Wisconsin’s citizens, it gets worse.

Last week Citizen Action of Wisconsin released internal emails and other documents acquired under Wisconsin’s open records law which suggest that the Walker Administration may have secretly developed a plan that would undermine the intent of ObamaCare by allowing the sale of substandard insurance policies on Wisconsin’s health insurance exchange.

Citizen Action of Wisconsin is on the case, shining the light on every one of Scott Walker’s efforts to undermine health care reform. We need your financial support to make sure Walker is forced to fully implement Obamacare. Please donate $100, $50, $25, or whatever you can afford so we can hold Walker accountable.

Citizen Action of Wisconsin sounded the alarm that Scott Walker may have a secret plan to undermine health care reform.

Here is why this is so important. If structured correctly, health insurance exchanges are new new competitive health marketplaces which will end all major health insurance industry abuses, including insurance industry discrimination against people with cancer and other pre-existing conditions. This regulated marketplace will guarantee that everyone has somewhere to go to buy affordable health coverage, that all plans cover all essential medical care without exclusions and coverage gaps, and that consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons between high quality competing plans.

While exchanges are supposed to shift the balance of power from the health insurance companies to consumers, it is apparent Walker wants to undermine this goal by allowing bottom-feeder plans which rip off consumers. Walker wants to keep the big for-profit health insurance companies in the driver’s seat. In fact, it is possible Walker will follow the Tea Party’s advice by attempting to nullify the health care law, setting up a confrontation with the Obama Administration

Citizen Action of Wisconsin is a fierce health consumer watchdog fighting Scott Walker’s efforts to undermine health care reform every day. We need your financial support to make sure Walker is forced to fully implement Obamacare. Please donate $100, $50, $25, or whatever you can afford so we can hold Walker accountable.

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Response to Jimbo S (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:35 AM

6. Check out one of their wackiest FB pages...


They need to get some real lawyers on staff.

From their "about" page:

Do you think Tuesday's election results sealed our fate? Think again!

It is NOT too late to stop the implementation of Obamacare in Wisconsin (and nationally)! How? The answer is in one word: Nullification.

What is nullification?

"The concept dates back to 1798, when James Madison and Thomas Jefferson drafted the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions, respectively. There we read that the states, which created the federal government in the first place, by the very logic of what they had done must possess some kind of defense mechanism should their creation break free of the restraints they had imposed on it. Jefferson himself introduced the word "nullification" into the American political lexicon, by which he meant the indispensable power of a state to refuse to allow an unconstitutional federal law to be enforced within its borders." (Tom E. Woods, Jr.)

Nullification is NOT a fringe, extremist tactic. On the contrary, there is a growing movement out there among the sovereign states to nullify overreaching federal legislation, regulation, and unfounded mandates. Today, political decentralization is gathering steam in all parts of the country, for all sorts of reasons. In the recent election of 11/6/12, Montana voters, with a decisive 66% to 34% majority, passed the “Montana Health Care Freedom Act” (Referendum 122), which "prohibits the state and federal governments from requiring the purchase of health insurance or imposing any penalty, tax, fee or fine on those who do not purchase health insurance." This makes Montana the 3rd state to nullify Obamacare after the SCOTUS decision that called it “constitutional” this summer.

By an even more overwhelming majority (77% to 23%) Wyoming , on the same day, passed the Wyoming Health Care Amendment, a legislatively-referred constitutional amendment. According to the amendment, "No federal or state law, rule or administrative decision shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer or health care provider to participate in any health care system."

Additionally, Maine, New Jersey, and Oklahoma will soon consider bills nullifying ObamaCare in their respective states.

Wisconsin, who for the past two years has been at the forefront of advancing much-needed change for the benefit of all its citizens must follow suit.

Indeed, Wisconsin is no stranger to being on the front line in using the principle of nullification in the fight for freedom, liberty, and justice for all, even that means saying a firm "NO MORE!" to a federal government that has lost its way.

In 1854, the Wisconsin Supreme Court made history by declaring the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793 (a Federal law written with the intent of enforcing Article 4, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, which sought to force the authorities in free states to return fugitive slaves to their masters) unconstitutional. This law, a blatant assault on the sovereignty of states who refused to participate in an unjust, immoral federal mandate was challenged in Wisconsin as a result of a case involving fugitive slave Joshua Glover, and Sherman Booth, who led efforts that thwarted Glover's recapture. The U.S. Supreme Court overruled the state court in 1859, but to this day, Wisconsin remains steadfast in refusing to compromised its principles:

"What has become known as the Booth case is actually a series of decisions from the Wisconsin Supreme Court beginning in 1854 and one from the U.S. Supreme Court, Ableman v. Booth, 62 U.S. 514 (1859), leading to a final published decision by the Wisconsin Supreme Court in Ableman v. Booth, 11 Wis. 501 (1859). These decisions reflect Wisconsin’s attempted nullification of the federal fugitive slave law, the expansion of the state’s rights movement and Wisconsin’s defiance of federal judicial authority. The Wisconsin Supreme Court in Booth unanimously declared the Fugitive Slave Act (which required northern states to return runaway slaves to their masters) unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned that decision but the Wisconsin Supreme Court refused to file the U.S. Court’s mandate upholding the fugitive slave law. That mandate has never been filed." (http://www.wicourts.gov/courts/supreme/docs/famouscases.pdf)

Other states have used nullification to fight for freedom and justice as well:

"In November 1850, the Vermont legislature approved the "Habeas Corpus Law," requiring Vermont judicial and law enforcement officials to assist captured fugitive slaves. This law rendered the federal Fugitive Slave Act effectively unenforceable in Vermont and caused a storm of controversy nationally because it was a "nullification" of federal law, a concept that had become highly charged in debates over slavery. The famous poet and abolitionist John Greenleaf Whittier had called for such laws and the Whittier controversy heightened angry pro-slavery reactions to the Vermont law." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850)


Freedom-loving Wisconsinites...

The last two years have been a struggle, as we fought back against forces that were seemingly tireless in trying to maintain the failed policies of an era from which we need to move on. Unfortunately, there is no time for rest as the struggle is not yet finished.

Once more, we need to stand strong against an oppressive and unjust federal leviathan that has broken free of its constitutional underpinnings and is now threatening the very foundation of our liberties and freedom.

There is only one word for must be done, and we must spread that word loudly and determinedly:


Pass it on.

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Response to sybylla (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:12 AM

7. Of course there's also this...


Legal scholars expect that efforts to nullify the federal health care law would fail because, under the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause (Article VI), the federal law would trump any "Health Care Freedom Acts" or state executive orders.

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Response to sybylla (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:36 PM

8. "Nullification" was tried before, in the 1950's, in the south.

It was a way to fight against desegregation of schools. Rejected by the courts every time.

But the current proponents have learned a lot in the interim.

There's an umbrella organization called the Tenth Amendment Center (after the 'States Rights'
clause in the Bill of Rights) and they're lumping together anti-NDAA (National Defense Authorization
Act) opposition, anti-marijuana law legislation, anti-TSA screening -- almost the whole Ron Paul
wish list -- together with opposition to Health Care reform.

Supporters call themselves, "tenther's."

I couldn't find how much financial backing they are getting from any part of the health insurance
industry, but the SPLC has this page on the organization and their founder:


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Response to mojowork_n (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:20 PM

9. Thanks.

I can't believe this will go anywhere, but I never thought the chimp would get elected either. Not to mention all the whacked out shit that's happened since.

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Response to sybylla (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:37 PM

10. True that.

Scary thing is the TENTHER foundation is a "social welfare" group. Checks written to
support it are tax write off's and not subject to public disclosure. Or they can be hidden
by shuttling them through other astro-turf or bogus fronts.

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