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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:12 PM Jan 2015

Hello! Thinking of moving to Houston-area. Tell me about it

Hello!

My husband and I are in our late 30's and gypsies. We're from coastal SC and moved to Seattle after getting married. Lived in Seattle, then rural central WA, back to Seattle, then to St. Pete Fl for a year, then back to Seattle, then Philadelphia, where we are now.

We're both RN's, and we're actually doing a distance program through University of Texas for our Bachelors in Nursing.

After living in cold, wet climates for going on 15 years, we've realized that WE NEED WARMTH. And also affordable housing. We were thinking of heading back to St. Pete (can get a house, with a pool, for under $250k) but just happened to look at Houston and realized that the housing market there is ASTOUNDING. Much better than Fl. More bang for your buck.

Because we've been married for 15 years this year and saving the whole time, we're basically able to buy a house with cash, or put down a sizeable downpayment and have little to no mortgage....therefore, our salaries aren't as much of an issue as they are now, where we live on 30% and save the other 70%. We've never owned a house before and are growing weary of the nomadic lifestyle. We're ready to put down roots, maybe (or maybe not) have a kid. I long to live somewhere that is mine, not a landlords.

So I've wikipedia'ed and city-data'ed and googled Houston.

Tell me what you like or dislike about it.

I know that TX is going to be a political change but really, Seattle's "more liberal than thou" attitude was often tiring. Philly is just...mean. Nasty mean people here. Have no idea what their politcs are but they are nasty, racist, and just on edge. Everyone is ready for a fight. St Pete was niceish. Very geriatric city...that's not dogging on the elders, but things weren't really geared towards people under, say, 65....lots of libretarian RonPaul bots when I lived there (09-10). The idea of living in a heavily republican area isn't frightening to me, as Charleston (where I'm from) was incredibly conservative and religious. The sad truth is that liberal cities on or near the water are prohibitively expensive, or cold, or both.

Oh---one thing I read repeatedly on city-data is that Houston is going through a housing bubble that is expected to burst relatively soon. Basically, the message was "don't buy a house now, wait 18 months or you'll really regret your decision because prices are going to drop." I read mention about gas/oil companies laying off or reducing staff, which would mean an exodus of those workers, causing a glut of houses on the market, which would cause prices to go down.

Any thoughts on that?

Our timeline is pretty flexible---we're thinking of finishing school before moving out there just so we have the benefit of the degree. I'm also considering going to a Nurse Practitioner program through University of Texas, which requires you to do your clinicals in Tx. Most likely we'd move no sooner than August, all the way up through March of 2016.

Thoughts?
Thanks!!

heddi

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Hello! Thinking of moving to Houston-area. Tell me about it (Original Post) Heddi Jan 2015 OP
Consider the Clear Lake area Xipe Totec Jan 2015 #1
Second. If I absolutely had to move to Houston, Ilsa Jan 2015 #9
Been living in Houston since 1980, love this city. On average you will find housing cost is lower Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #2
if you enjoy hideous weather and hideous traffic you will enjoy Houston Skittles Jan 2015 #3
my feelings as well, especially the traffic (the drivers, esp.) Hate it. nt antigop Jan 2015 #18
There's baseball! shenmue Jan 2015 #4
Not at Minute Maid! cloudbase Jan 2015 #6
He said "baseball," not necessarily "good baseball" jmowreader Jan 2015 #8
You are correct! cloudbase Jan 2015 #10
How do you and hubby handle humidity?.....I spent a little time there for work...it was like south pkdu Jan 2015 #5
Traffic traffic traffic ret5hd Jan 2015 #7
Agreed that you will want to have a Bachelors degree since most of the jobs in nursing are requiring TexasTowelie Jan 2015 #11
Houston has the worst traffic I've seen outside of a third world country. SheilaT Jan 2015 #12
I guess you haven't been to Austin much, have you? Paladin Jan 2015 #19
Moving from Seattle's paltry 38 inches of rain to Houston's 50 inches will be different. braddy Jan 2015 #13
Air conditioning is what makes it tolerable. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #14
You know Houston quite well meathead Jan 2015 #21
Nice summary. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Jan 2015 #22
You're welcome. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #24
Can't emphasize enough that A/C is mandatory in Texas. MicaelS Jan 2015 #28
I get very uncomfortable in large vehicles. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #29
I drove an SUV for 2 days as a loaner car. MicaelS Jan 2015 #31
WalkScore.com's always great for basically x-raying a city: ~40% is suburban, MisterP Jan 2015 #15
Houston may go underwater w/climate change... blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #16
Born and raised here, and I love it! kentauros Jan 2015 #17
Howdy Heddi! meathead Jan 2015 #20
THANK YOU EVERYONE! You all have been so helpful Heddi Jan 2015 #23
Hobby Bobcat Jan 2015 #26
Do some research on San Antonio area - not as humid, traffic not too bad except at rush hour northoftheborder Jan 2015 #25
We have Juanita Jean in Fort Bend Gothmog Jan 2015 #27
You still have to moisturize your face, despite the humidity. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #30
Ugh... malokvale77 Jan 2015 #32

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
1. Consider the Clear Lake area
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jan 2015

On the south side of Houston near the waterfront. Johnson Space Center is nearby, Great Marina, Kemah and Seabrook a couple of miles away for good Seafood, and 30 minutes away from Galveston beaches.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
9. Second. If I absolutely had to move to Houston,
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jan 2015

I'd live on the SE side around Kemah or Clear Lake. You can usually get a little breeze off the gulf during the hottest months.

But I'd rather live in the Hill Country or San Antonio.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Been living in Houston since 1980, love this city. On average you will find housing cost is lower
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jan 2015

Than other areas. There has been lots of changes "Inside the Loop", lots,of areas have the typical Houston lofts buildings, we do have what is considered the Medical Center which is close to MD Anderson, St Luke's, Methodist Hermann and VA hospitals. We have some arts areas and some decent theaters. It gets pretty darn hot in the later summer months, has had some hurricanes and the winters,are fairly mild. A broad spectrum of cultures, if you want to be a cowboy,etc we have a big rodeo in February and March, professional football, basketball, baseball, soccer teams. I found Houston to be friendly, folks acknowledge others. Harris county is somewhat blue but we have the diehard reds also. We do not have state income taxes and on most groceries we do not have a tax.

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
3. if you enjoy hideous weather and hideous traffic you will enjoy Houston
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jan 2015

OK I admit I have not been there in a long time - did TDYs there in the military and absolutely hated Houston

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
5. How do you and hubby handle humidity?.....I spent a little time there for work...it was like south
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jan 2015

Florida in August....oppressive !

TexasTowelie

(111,910 posts)
11. Agreed that you will want to have a Bachelors degree since most of the jobs in nursing are requiring
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jan 2015

My brother works in a hospital about 70 miles southwest of Houston tells me stories that there is a lack of professionalism at hospitals regarding issues of innuendo and sexual harassment. If you can roll with the punches then you will be fine, but if you are a delicate wallflower then it could be trying.

Most hospitals have their employees working 3 twelve hour shifts per week with the possibility of overtime or PRN elsewhere. Most of the hospitals are good, but you will want to stay away from Ben Taub (the indigent care hospital) since I hear it is pretty rough.

I suggest that you rent for awhile and wait for the real estate bubble to burst. I think that there will be some great opportunities come open within 12-18 months and it will also give you more time to get accustom to what neighborhoods are desirable, the traffic commute to and from work, and find the desired amenities.

You will also find that people are into religion more than in other cities. Therefore, you might have to curb any A&A discussions to get hired around Houston.

Good luck and let us know when you are here!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. Houston has the worst traffic I've seen outside of a third world country.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jan 2015

And don't know if it's changed since the last time I was there, but the city was very proud of the fact that it had no zoning, so anything at all could be built next to anything else.

Another issue is that it is very flat there, and much of the land is paved. Flooding is an issue. You might want to see if you can find something that resembles higher ground before you buy. At the very least, research historic floods, and realize they may be worse in the future.

And yeah, finish your degree before you relocate anywhere.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
19. I guess you haven't been to Austin much, have you?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jan 2015

Houston's traffic is formidable, but there's better planning and control involved there than in Austin, where the infrastructure is decades behind the population growth. As a native Texan and prior resident of both cities, I never thought I'd live to see Houston with a lesser traffic problem than Austin, but that's where things are at, now.

And to the OP: I recommend the Houston area as a place to live. Your nursing skills will be put to productive use, and there are all sorts of interesting things going on. Check out San Antonio, while you're at it.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
14. Air conditioning is what makes it tolerable.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jan 2015

For four to five months of the year, you spend all your time in your air-conditioned house, car or office. Otherwise the heat is oppressive and can be deadly. Yes, it is as bad as Florida on the humidity. I've been to Disney World in August and the oppressive humidity is indeed comparable to New Orleans or Florida. The drink of choice for Southerners (since Houston is kinda Southern) is iced tea, sweet or unsweet, year round.

They have light rail going down Main Street which has had branches added. The city fathers fought mass transit, because the bus system is terrible, but a lot of people love it. The light rail has expanded with various branches.

The drivers are nuts but the ones in Dallas are even crazier. It once took me 6 hours to drive through Dallas on I-35 and two days later I was in the hospital with blood clots in my lungs, caused by DVT, so the traffic in Dallas can be literally almost lethal!!! I've never seen a jam that horrible in Houston.

Don't know what kind of activities you are into. There are two big city parks, Hermann Park, between downtown and the Medical Center South of Downtown, and Memorial Park, on the west side.

Houston is incredibly culturally diverse so there are ethnic restaurants of all kinds, ethnic neighborhoods such as the Chinatown and the Vietnamese sector. There is a thriving art scene with the Museum of Fine Arts, the Contemporary Arts Museum, and DiverseWorks, Center for Photography and many other art studios and activities. The music is incredibly diverse with the symphony, the opera(this year doing an avant-garde production of the second installment of the Ring Cycle by Wagner, Die Walkure), the ballet, Da Camera Society, which presents chamber music and jazz, the House of Blues, rock concerts at Toyota Center (the basketball arena) with big name acts, and assorted clubs to hear live music in.

Pick up a copy of the Houston Press, the weekly throwaway rag, to find out what's really going on at City Hall and the D.A.'s offie and the cultural scene.

Lots of sports teams, if you are into that. Houston is pretty liberal but some of the suburbs are pretty conservative. You can find interesting people to hang with. There are a bunch of colleges and universities such as The University of Houston (big state school), Texas Southern University (Historically black state school), Rice University(techie school that has poured lots of money into its music school), and the University of Saint Thomas (Catholic) with all the usual lectures and concerts. Two med schools, Baylor and UT, and the biggest cancer hospital in the world, M.D. Anderson.

It will cost more to live inside Loop 610 or slightly outside, but the time, money and stress you save by living close to town may be worth it, depending on where you work. The housing bubble started in the fall of 2013 and I don't know if it will keep going up or not. I don't know if the price of gas will affect that or not. All the close in neighborhoods have gentrified (the various Wards) and they have torn down shotgun houses and put up yuppie apartment and condo complexes.

They have an active Democratic Party and I was raised hanging out in the Harris County Democrats, which is the progressive branch of the Democrats, started by local legends Billie Carr and Frankie Carter Randolph back in the 1950s in response to their disgust over Democrats for Eisenhower.

The air is much better than it was in the 70s--the EPA regs have had some effect. No more orange photochemical smog. The southeast side is the worst because of the Ship Channel and lots of stinkin' refineries and plants being there. The west side costs more because it is further away from the air pollution. We don't have a state income tax, but our license fees for things like car registration and property taxes are pretty bad. The property taxes are higher if you are in a good suburban school district such as Spring Branch ISD on the west side. Our sales tax is 8.5%, so it's not technically a low-tax state after you look at it. The property valuations jump every year too.

Are you used to huge cities that take 45 minutes to an hour to get across, like Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth? If you are, then realize it will take you longer to get there than you think. I can't say there is a good time to drive because on Saturday night it will be pretty crazy and crowded. They keep spending billions expanding the freeways, though, which helps some.


Source: Born and raised there. It's home, even though I don't live there now.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
24. You're welcome.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jan 2015

I like to take people to weird places like The Beer Can House, on Malone Street right off Memorial, The Orange Show, the Art Car Museum, or Glenwood Cemetery, where the rich and famous (Gene Tierney and Howard Hughes) are buried.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
28. Can't emphasize enough that A/C is mandatory in Texas.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jan 2015

As Manifestor_of_Light stated. When you buy a house in Texas, want to look into one that has a top quality HVAC system.

Driving... many, many people drive full size pickups or SUVs in Texas. So if you don't like being surrounded on the road by large vehicles you can't see over or around, Texas is not the place for you.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
29. I get very uncomfortable in large vehicles.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jan 2015

And yes, I know they will run over ya. I'm uncomfortable around them as well, as MicaelS just pointed out.

I have a four door Japanese car which I think is the right size for me. I can park it without fear of losing a fender, and it's agile enough in traffic to get out of the way of some nut. You don't want an underpowered car in the traffic.

I would not drive a smartcar or a Mini Cooper or anything else that small. I would feel vulnerable in something that small.
I do know one person who has a Mini Cooper and loves it, in Houston.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
31. I drove an SUV for 2 days as a loaner car.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jan 2015

And I can see why people like them, especially shorter people. The view from the driver's seat is fantastic.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
15. WalkScore.com's always great for basically x-raying a city: ~40% is suburban,
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:29 AM
Jan 2015

~30% is stuff on a hill (not a problem in TX), 20-0% is going back to the coyotes once gas passes $4

https://www.walkscore.com/TX/Houston

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
17. Born and raised here, and I love it!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jan 2015

I actually like the humidity. Anything less than 80% and I'm miserable due to my sinuses drying up too much.

Houston is a great city. Most diverse in the nation now, third-largest population of people from India and Pakistan, huge Middle Eastern population, even larger population of people from Central and South America, and so on.

I know people think that being flat is bad, but you won't burn out a clutch waiting at a traffic light! As for the flooding, there is minor street flooding still, but when we get rain, especially in the summer, the skies turn black and it's a torrential downpour for an hour or so. Unless you build your drainage system with five-meter pipes, and whole-street sized drainage grates, nothing drains fast enough. And it drains down in a couple of hours. No big deal. And though we're flat, we're also inland about 60+ miles, so there is elevation (50'-100' depending on the area, such as The Heights.) Where I'm at, near Meyerland, my elevation is 65' according to topo maps. So, we won't be underwater for at least 50 or more years

Have a look at The Houston Press as they are a good means of seeing not only what's going on, but how we do things, especially politically. It's not as bad as everyone (that doesn't live here!) seems to think. Also, Swamplot, for an idea about the state of real estate here, though it can be depressing, what with the city's lack of concern/love for older buildings.

I do dislike the traffic, but you just have to remain calm, even when someone takes a right-hand exit from the passing lane

meathead

(63 posts)
20. Howdy Heddi!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jan 2015

I've lived 25 years in and around Houston. Look inside the I-610 loop for hip city living and proximity to the best arts, culture, restaurants and the Medical Center. Montrose, Heights, Mid-town and West University are great areas but expensive. The inner-city is the more liberal part of town.

The best suburb for you IMO is Pearland (where I live), 12 miles south of the Medical Center. Homes are 200-700K and bout $100 per sq ft. The best neighborhoods are Silver Creek, Silver Lake but there are others that are nice. About 50% of your neighbors will be academics and medical professionals. My wife's bunko group has 4 physical therapists and a couple nurses for instance. I have a neighbor that's a hospital administrator etc.... Homes are selling at or above asking price right now. I don't think it's a brief bubble though. If you wait your interest rates and home prices will both have increased. As to politics, you will be moving to the the right-wing polar-opposite of Seattle. Pearland is in Pete Olsen's district, he's a TEA Party favorite. This is Ron Paul, Rick Perry and Ted Cruz country.

The secret to Texas, is knowing that homes don't really appreciate all that much, low taxes and cost of living is the Texas advantage.


Heddi

(18,312 posts)
23. THANK YOU EVERYONE! You all have been so helpful
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jan 2015

Mr. Heddi and I say THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for all the info. Please keep it coming.

THe information y'all have provided has just been so helpful and we're reading and-re-reading over yesterday and today.

Thanks again! Keep that info coming.

We are really sort of leaning to Houston now. When I get a break from school we're going to fly out for a few days to check things out, probably in May (next time we have a school break).

Thanks again!

Bobcat

(246 posts)
26. Hobby
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jan 2015

If you are going to be looking at the south side of the city, you might want to consider flying Southwest into Hobby (HOU), Houston has two big airports, Hobby and Bush (IAH). Bush is north of the city and a long way (time-wise) from the southern suburbs. Hobby is on the near south side of the city, making the trek to the southern suburbs much easier.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
30. You still have to moisturize your face, despite the humidity.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jan 2015

Just a quick beauty tip. Cheap moisturizer is just as good as the expensive stuff.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
32. Ugh...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jan 2015

Good luck anywhere in Texas.

On the other hand, I would love to see an influx of liberals here.

Edited to add: Giant cockroaches. Houston is full of them.

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