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Thu May 21, 2020, 05:11 PM

Catholic, Lutheran Leaders Say They Will Defy Gov. Tim Walz's Order, Reopen May 26

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https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/20/catholic-lutheran-leaders-say-they-will-defy-gov-tim-walzs-order-reopen-may-28/
Catholic, Lutheran Leaders Say They Will Defy Gov. Tim Walz’s Order, Reopen May 26, 5/20/20

The heads of Minnesota’s Catholic and Lutheran churches say they will defy Gov. Tim Walz’s executive order and reopen on May 26 — without adhering to the requirement of no more than 10 worshipers at a given service.

The law firm Becket released a statement early Wednesday evening on behalf of the Minnesota Catholic Conference and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod in Minnesota, citing the perceived hypocrisy of allowing retail stores, casinos, bars and restaurants to have a 50% capacity as a major reason to not follow the governor’s order.

“Governor Walz’s latest re-opening order allows the Mall of America to open its doors to those seeking retail therapy but disallows churches from providing spiritual healing to their congregations,” the statement read.

... “Why are churches limited to 10 people outdoors while hundreds of people can gather in the aisles of big box stores?” Daudt said.

... Both denominations say they plan to reopen with only about a third of their congregation inside during services, and they will follow social distancing guidelines. (another article says additionally, "People would be spaced in pews, there would be one-way traffic, and no choirs." -Progree)


(Edit: adding this paragraph on 5/23) First, Kurt Daudt (R) (Minnesota House Minority Leader) is misleading when he says, “Why are churches limited to 10 people outdoors while hundreds of people can gather in the aisles of big box stores?”. Under previous executive orders, religious services were allowed indoors as well as outdoors, beginning May 18, and in Phase II beginning June 1.
https://www.fox9.com/news/how-minnesotas-stay-safe-plan-changes-from-phase-1-to-phase-4

As for the restaurants and bars stuff in the second paragraph of the above, actually only outdoor seating is allowed under Governor Walz's (D) order. No indoor seating. All this begins June 1:

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/20/gov-walz-outlines-rules-for-restaurants-salons-to-reopen-on-june-1/
Under the plan, restaurants will be able to host outdoor dining starting June 1, provided that social distancing in enforced. No more than 50 patrons may be seated at a time, tables must have at least 6 feet between them, and parties are limited to four (or, if everyone’s in the same family, six). Reservations will be required, and all workers must be wearing masks.


As for the outdoors-only seating, restaurant owners say they were completely surprised by this, they had been preparing for weeks for limited indoor seating with restrictions as well as outdoor seating,

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/20/many-restaurants-surprised-by-gov-walzs-outdoor-seating-requirement-to-reopen/
Many Restaurants Surprised By Gov. Walz’s Outdoor Seating Requirement To Reopen, 5/20/20


Edited to add this comment from ConstanceCee in reply #4:
"Lutherans" in this article refers to the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. This is a different church body than the larger Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. There are some big differences.

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Reply Catholic, Lutheran Leaders Say They Will Defy Gov. Tim Walz's Order, Reopen May 26 (Original post)
progree May 21 OP
SoCalNative May 21 #1
the_sly_pig May 21 #2
Wellstone ruled May 21 #3
ConstanceCee May 21 #4
progree May 21 #5
Salviati May 21 #6
The Velveteen Ocelot May 22 #12
Salviati May 21 #7
keithbvadu2 May 21 #8
CaptYossarian May 21 #9
progree May 21 #10
King_Klonopin May 22 #11
dflprincess May 22 #13
The Velveteen Ocelot May 23 #14

Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:23 PM

1. These religidiots really will

be the death of us all

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Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:38 PM

2. F em.

The willfully stupid are on their own.

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Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:53 PM

3. Not surprised one bit.

Minny has more than enough Christo-Facist to go around.

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Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:08 PM

4. Distinction

"Lutherans" in this article refers to the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod. This is a different church body than the larger Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. There are some big differences.

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Response to ConstanceCee (Reply #4)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:12 PM

5. Thanks for the important info/clarification. n/t

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Response to ConstanceCee (Reply #4)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:21 PM

6. Yeah, I would have been surprised if the ELCA had come out with a statement like this...

... the Missouri Synod? Not so surprising...

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Response to ConstanceCee (Reply #4)

Fri May 22, 2020, 03:55 PM

12. I would expect it of the Missouri Synod. I'm assuming the even loonier WI Synod

is also asking its parishioners to die for a Sunday meeting with Jesus (or for the collection plate, more likely. Jesus never required human sacrifice).

Update: Yup, them, too. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/21/latest-on-covid19-in-mn

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Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:26 PM

7. The idiocy is astounding.

“Why are churches limited to 10 people outdoors while hundreds of people can gather in the aisles of big box stores?”


Because people don't hang out shoulder to shoulder, singing in the aisles of a big box store for an hour at a time.

I really hope that the wave of infections that irresponsible charlatans like this are going to inevitibly bring on makes people tune their bullshit meters a bit finer.

I mean there are Churches that care about the well being of the community and their parishioners, and there are Churches that only care about passing that collection plate. Guess which ones are maintaining online services and seeing how they can help the community during this time of crisis, and which are bitching and moaning about opening up against all god-given reason.

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Thu May 21, 2020, 07:54 PM

8. Disastrous Arkansas COVID Cluster Spells Trouble for Church Openings

Disastrous Arkansas COVID Cluster Spells Trouble for Church Openings

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213459895

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Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 08:20 PM

9. They don't have a prayer.

Remember the passengers walking the wrong way on the "Poseidon Adventure"?

And consider the percentage of elderly vs. the rest of the congregation.

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Response to progree (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 09:22 PM

10. Glory Glory Glory! The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords weighs in

Matthew 6:5,6

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the
synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they
may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy
closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray
to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father
which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.


King James Version
https://biblehub.com/matthew/6.htm
(other versions shown, side by side)

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Response to progree (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

11. This has nothing to do with religion. It's all about politics

Politics wrapped in a religious cloak.

If Donald Trump mandated anything which was defied by a religious denomination
or subgroup, you would hear the insane, hypocrites of the "religious right" citing this verse:

"Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government
anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the
land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow." -- Romans 13:1-2

Of course, they only refer to this scriptural verse if it supports Republican leaders -- never Dems.

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Response to progree (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 08:38 PM

13. So much for the Catholic church being "prolife"

Every now & then I turn on the more-Catholic-than-the-pope radio station to remind myself why I left & there is one host always ranting about the "culture of death". It appears the Archbishop is now endorsing that.

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Sat May 23, 2020, 06:52 PM

14. They're not all crazy - From the Episcopal Diocese of Minnesota:

A message from the Bishop and Bishop-Elect:

Today Governor Walz further lifted restrictions on houses of worship to allow for gatherings in church buildings up to twenty-five percent capacity. In the Episcopal Church in Minnesota, the policies announced as phase 1.5 of our re-entry plan last week remain unchanged. Small groups of those necessary to livestream worship from church buildings may do so if faith leaders so choose, and all other gatherings remain suspended. We know that cases of COVID-19 continue to rise in Minnesota, and that the most effective way to save lives is to stay at home as much as possible.

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