I hope everyone is well in our little "Classic Red" corner of DU........

[socialist_n_TN]

I've been out of pocket for the last few weeks with a big writing project we're working on for the League for a Fifth International which has cut my DU and SP time. Carry on comrades and I'll talk to you when I get a moment!

[MrMickeysMom]

1. I don't know why I didn't join this group sooner...

My time is so divided up. I've never quite finished Zinn's book on the People's History of the United States, either. I keep working and working harder in a system that wants to kill me or my ideas first, I can't remember which.

Sometimes I think, "How do we do it?"

[socialist_n_TN]

2. Well, Lenin and Trotsky had some ideas......

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. so

Is it still a safe place to post that isn't over run by neoliberals and delusional Hillarites? Maybe we should support Hillary because
A Clinton presidency would be a perfect embodiment of the polarization and rot of the US political system

What could we expect from a Hillary presidency? My guess is that it would be Wall Street–friendly, militarized and secretive — though seasoned with mostly empty rhetoric about uplift, community and inclusion. It would do little to address polarization and rot. In fact it would be a perfect embodiment of polarization and rot. There will be strenuous efforts over the next year and a half to argue otherwise, but they will convince no one but loyalists.

[Starry Messenger]

4. This is still a safe space. :)

The SOP is still in effect. I, for one, but I think I can speak for the others too, would not like to see any chilling of views here.

(My usual caveat: this group can still have its posts juried by anyone on DU, via an alert. Hosts have no control over that, if your roll of the dice goes wrong.)

[TBF]

5. I expect her to be non-women hating

which is a plus (even though we were lectured not to say that). Economically ... well, we saw what NAFTA and the repeal of significant portions of Glass-Steagall has done to our country. And she is one of the primary architects of TPP. I'm willing to listen and given the choice between her and a Scott Walker the choice is easy for me.

But I expect in this corner of DU we will stay focused on talking about class and pushing the conversation to the left. That is my goal anyway.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. The lesser of two evils is still evil

personality that is a moral line I will not cross anymore.
I will rather work on local level politics. Even if Hillary or another Democrat wins, the senate and the house will remain republican and the gridlock will continue and if there is any bipartisan laws passed it will be to the right and not to the left.

[TBF]

7. My focus is not voting -

it's a dog and pony show at best (particularly at the national level). I agree with working on local level and advocating for systemic change.

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. I'm not voting either

as george carlin said

“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”

[TBF]

9. I'm actually more likely to show up to vote if it's local -

school board, governor etc ... that's why it's so funny when the gang accuses us of sitting out midterms. That's when I'm more likely to show up.